Hey guys i was just curious how the outlaw handles in a little bit of mud>? Also can these things be driven a little slow through trails and stuff. I like the clearance and IRS so im trying to decide on this? The renegade still has my eyes but if t his oulaw can perform like the renegade i can save some money?

 

im not sure what you mean by performing, but both are awesome machines. go to the dealers and try them out and get whichever you feel more comfortable on

 

1) The outlaw does very well in the mud for a high performance quad. It is not going to be anywhere near as good as the renegade in deep mud but the extra ground clearance keeps it moving in situations where solid rear axle (SRA) quads will get hung up. I was able to ride the outlaw in all the snow we got this winter without ever even having to rock back and forth to get the weight transferred. Pretty much it will go through anything until you get to the point where you need 4x4.

2) the Outlaw 525 can be ridden slow through trails. this engine has ALL KINDS of torque! slip the clutch out in first gear, get it engaged and you can pick around through the trees with anyone. The manual clutch makes it extremely responsive, and the torque lets you idle through the woods without even using the throttle! overall, the low-end on this motor is phenominal and makes for a very easy and responsive woods ride.

3) overall performance is different. Neither is better, they're different. I'll explain: the Outlaw is a light weight, highg performance machine whereas i'd call the Renegade a super sport machine. The difference is this:

Being only 395lbs dry, the Outlaw is even motocrossable if you feel like it. It will be fast in the woods in the straight line and in XC type racing. This machine is very race ready for XC or harescrambles. The Manual clutch is FAR more responsive than any CVT, it is less expensive, and handles better.

The Renegade is fast as well, in fact the two are close in a drag, but i think the outlaw will edge it out. The key difference is in handling. The Renegade handles more like a light weight utility quad. At around 600lbs, (heavier i think 640? idk) it is NOT going to be fun on a MX track. It will do well in the woods, it will just be a different type of riding. The CVT is easier to operate, but not as responsive. EFI is nice, and if 4x4 & sportiness are your top priority, you can't go wrong.

Basically i was in your shoes a few months back and decided on the Outlaw 525. It is light enough to MX w/ my buddies for fun, handles great, and has power EVERYWHERE. The thing has enough power to pull the wheels in all five gears! so if you want that kind of power this is the machine for you. While the Renegade may exhibit similar power in the straight line, in tight woods sections, the weight will quickly overwhelm you compared to the 525. Depends on the rider and the terrain i guess, you won't be disappointed with either, they're just 2 drastically different machines.

 

Very well written. Id love to take an Outlaw for a spin just to experience it......

 

thank you very much all of you especially scrambler....seeing that you have one. Are they reliable and do they respond well and have good gains w/ pipe, jet, filter lid off, and O-ring mod? I want to be fast and im a torque lover since i have a chipped turbo diesel. That was very well put i havent had a manual in forever so im thinking im going to get back into that and drag some friends that think there awesome. Thanks again

 

I will pretty much agree with everything scrambler stated. As far as reliability goes the KTM 525 is known as one of the best racing engines today. The only changes made to the 525 before going in the Outlaw was a bigger case for more oil capacity, a 200 watt stator and of course the loss of 6th gear for reverse.

On the dyno the Outlaw gains 3 hp just by removing the lid without a jetting change. Most of us with the 525 have been using the JD jet kit and o-ring mod. I did not expect a big difference with the jetting and the o-ring but man what a difference. FMF is supposed to come out with a pipe for the Outlaw very soon and that is what I am waiting for before I decide which pipe to go with. Those that have put on a pipe on the 525 have stated that they noticed a large jump in power, as expected with any bike. HMF claims an 8 hp jump with the addition of their Sport series pipe.

I think the decision between the Renegade and the Outlaw will come down to your riding area and style. Both outstanding machines. Dirt Wheels in its recent write up claimed that the Renegades wet weight was close to 800 lbs. Hate to have that thing tip on me. Although Dirt Wheels write ups are so biased anymore they spew facts out less than crooked politicians.

 

Evasiveone, there is no official ETA on that pipe, but off the record i was talking to FMF and they said around 1 - 2 months, i'm getting one of these IMMEDIATELY! If the KTM factory team runs them, they're probably pretty close to the best all-around for the 525. Also, EHS has their prefilter lid available, but the pics won't be on their website for a few more days. therefore if you want one, you have to call them for it. i'm orderring one of those too... Link below:
EHS Racing

Evasiveone and myself can help you set it up eddy1, if that's what you choose to buy. Maintenance is not bad. Oil changes every 15 hrs recommended by the owners manual, and checking the valves with each oil change. (they will need adjusted the first 2 oil changes due to break in, but after that it will be an occasional thing) The roller-rockers with adjustable valves are AWESOME too! way easier to adjust than any DOHC on the market. It comes from the factory as the fastest accelerating sport quad, but it is actually jetted lean to make emmisions requirements. Therefor, with just the JD Jet kit, you can add even more! Evasiveone's right about the 3 hp without the lid, but i wouldn't run it that way, that's why i've been calling EHS every week. Check out their products, the prefilter is water proof and will probably be even cleaner for your engine than the factory lid! Also, the O-ring mod results in a significantly stronger shot on the accelerator pump. The thick ring gives 80% more fuel and the thin one gives 40% more. I actually went back to the 40% ring b/c with the 80% ring, the Outlaw was hitting a little too hard and getting a little too wheelie happy in the high-traction field racing I was doing a few weeks back.

P.S. Evasiveone, i forgot about the crank case being made bigger to increase oil capacity! no wonder the crank lock bolt doesn't lock the crankshaft in place for valve adjustments! i had the local KTM dealership stumped! lol!

 

Here where I lve in PA there is a Polaris/CanAm dealer about 10miles from here. I was very curious about the Renegade so I went to ride one. Well 2 kids that work there were out messing around on the Outlaw 525 and renegade. BOTH machines are amaizing but in much different classes. I got a chance to ride both on thier demo course. The power is awsome on both. Both have a cushy ride but the outlaw felt very planted. Both were easy to pull the back end around with ease and went where you pointed them but the outlaw was very stable. The renegade still had some body roll and you can feel the weight but very powerful. In a straight drag the 525 was much quicker and the torque was unbelievable. The renegade torque was awsome and at 20mph you can stab the throttle and the front would come right up. I used to be a sport guad guy but with age and being beat up too much by my banshee I went to a Utility. If I were a sport guy the 525 would be in my garage. I am a utility guy and if the renegade was out a year ago I would not be riding a Honda. I think these are the best 2 quads on the market but in different classes. Both have ungodly power, awsome handling, cushy rides and look bad a$$!!! I dont think you can find any better combinations than these 2 quads.

 

man why cant i just have both....[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img] lol i use to have a 250beartracker but some1 stole it. I loved the automatic clutch and ever since i have had two automatic. I dont really likem and i kinda want to get back into the clutch idea. I ride at busco beach a lot and there are a lot of hills and nasty trails. I think the outlaw would be great! I just need to go ahead and get one as soon as possible. I heard the clutch was very easy and smooth so thats a plus. I want to get ahead of the comp. so i think this is the one for me! Thanks guys yall are very helpful...what kind of deal should i be looking for on this outlaw 525 what price and warranty?

 

Thanks for the write up 2manytoys. Nice to have a non owner be able to give an opinion of the two after riding them back-to-back.

As far as price for the Outlaw 525 they are still in pretty high demand so I would not expect any smoking deals yet. Most have been right around the $7000 amount. They come with the standard 6 month warranty. I personally have never been a fan of extended warranties. Seems the manufacturer/warranter always finds a way to get out of the claim. But some people will not buy without an extended warranty.