300fw dies when hot
#1
Hi all , new guy here , great site ! I have a problem with my 95 Honda 300fw 4x4 , the bike is totally stock and well maintained . It started when my kid was riding around the back yard , it was running fine , then died , cranked right back up , but when you put in gear or tried to give any gas , it would die again . I put it up , figuring it was the carb , as it sits up quite a bit .
So I pulled the carb and cleaned it , not that it needed it , didn't find any sludge or varnish ect... anywhere . Next I serviced the air filter , no buggers here either , and cleaned the tank and fuel filter and added fresh gas . All seemed fine , it started right up ran fine but I didn't ride it long and put it up .
Today I go for a ride with my buddies , about 15min. into the ride it started to act weird and died , cranked right back up , but would die when given gas or put in gear (sounds like a pattern!) . Cranked it 7 or 8 times with the same results and it backfired , checked for gas , yes , checked for fire , yes but weak . We fooled around with it about 10-15min and I decided to have my son pull me back to the truck with his Rhino , so I wouldn't hold the other guys back . We start towing back and I crank it up and it seems to be fine , everything working good , I just keep it going in gear with the tow rope hooked up , following the Rhino . This lasts for about 1/4 mile , then it dies , same thing all over again , crank , die ,crank , die , so I just shut it off and tow to the truck , at the truck I crank it up , load it , no problem and go home .
I get home , crank it unload it , no problem , Check the spark with a new plug , good spark , check it with the old plug , good spark WTF ? When it's cool it runs fine , no problems , when it warms up , it dies , but will crank right back up and idle to the cows come home , but won't take any gas . I don't think it is a fuel problem , could be the coil heating up and going open circuit ? My experiences with electronic ignitions is they either work or don't work , but I'm not a authority on that . How would I go about testing the coil , with what it's doing with the cool and warm cycles ? Sorry so long , I just wanted to tell all the information I had to try and trouble shoot this problem . Terry
So I pulled the carb and cleaned it , not that it needed it , didn't find any sludge or varnish ect... anywhere . Next I serviced the air filter , no buggers here either , and cleaned the tank and fuel filter and added fresh gas . All seemed fine , it started right up ran fine but I didn't ride it long and put it up .
Today I go for a ride with my buddies , about 15min. into the ride it started to act weird and died , cranked right back up , but would die when given gas or put in gear (sounds like a pattern!) . Cranked it 7 or 8 times with the same results and it backfired , checked for gas , yes , checked for fire , yes but weak . We fooled around with it about 10-15min and I decided to have my son pull me back to the truck with his Rhino , so I wouldn't hold the other guys back . We start towing back and I crank it up and it seems to be fine , everything working good , I just keep it going in gear with the tow rope hooked up , following the Rhino . This lasts for about 1/4 mile , then it dies , same thing all over again , crank , die ,crank , die , so I just shut it off and tow to the truck , at the truck I crank it up , load it , no problem and go home .
I get home , crank it unload it , no problem , Check the spark with a new plug , good spark , check it with the old plug , good spark WTF ? When it's cool it runs fine , no problems , when it warms up , it dies , but will crank right back up and idle to the cows come home , but won't take any gas . I don't think it is a fuel problem , could be the coil heating up and going open circuit ? My experiences with electronic ignitions is they either work or don't work , but I'm not a authority on that . How would I go about testing the coil , with what it's doing with the cool and warm cycles ? Sorry so long , I just wanted to tell all the information I had to try and trouble shoot this problem . Terry
#4
Symptoms do seem to point towards ignition - rarely do coils go bad, but it is a possibility. On the other hand, could be lack of enough fuel to run more than idle.
Possibly the vent is stopped on the fuel tank cap?
To test the coil, first I would check the fire situation - immediately when the engine stops running, see if you have spark at the plug - - you can do a resistance test of the coil, but it won't tell u much unless u are testing it at the time it "fails" = 2 wires @ back of coil (primary & ground) should run less than 5 ohms - ground side to high voltage wire (cap removed) should run around 6K ohms.
For an ignition problem, I would more suspect the CDI box as it controls the ignition timing, therefore the dying at rpms higher than idle
Possibly the vent is stopped on the fuel tank cap?
To test the coil, first I would check the fire situation - immediately when the engine stops running, see if you have spark at the plug - - you can do a resistance test of the coil, but it won't tell u much unless u are testing it at the time it "fails" = 2 wires @ back of coil (primary & ground) should run less than 5 ohms - ground side to high voltage wire (cap removed) should run around 6K ohms.
For an ignition problem, I would more suspect the CDI box as it controls the ignition timing, therefore the dying at rpms higher than idle
#5
Thanks for the replys , I haven't had time to do any more testing on it , but with it quiting when it gets warm in a consistant manner , then cranking back up after a brief cool off time , it does seem to point at ignition problems . There was no water involved when it is doing this , but I will check all the connections for corosion and tightness . I checked the fuel flow at every connection and all is well there , I even removed the filler cap on the tank and the problem persisted . I am also going to try a known/good cdi box and see if that fixes the problem . Thanks again , Terry
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