hi guys . i have just got my 650 . i now have 24hrs and 210 kms on it now . i love it . first thing i noticed was if you went into a corner quick the front end would dive and scare you like it would roll.so i have turned the shocks up a notch and i run a little more air in the front tires this seemed to have helped. now i wonder about the clutch? i have felt the belt slipping a bit. what do you guys recomend?
also what is this h/l mod i see guys have done?

 

Any slow, poking along, hill climbing & so forth always use low range, this puts less strain on the belt. I had 2 Kawasaki 650 Prairies before I bought this Cat 650, so I know how this tranny works.
I did have the thinnest shim removed from my LE650 but my 2 riding buddies with the MRP650s had a different set of shims in the clutching & so far have had no problems with the belt.
If you are going to stay with the Stock GY Radial tires, then U may want to run them at 9psi. I didn't care for the GY Radials & switched over to a set of the 25" Carlise Badland Radials, these Badlands DO NOT have the soft Goodyear sidewalls. I could use a wider tire on the front, other than the stock size 8" as I feel the front end doesn't react fast enough to my input. I now have my front shocks on #5 & this has helped but this Cat 650 is no Prairie 650 but again my P650s weren't IRS either.
Until Cat lets the dealers know how to fix the limp-mode, be sure to carry your reset plug with you at all times, in other words,"Don't go out trail riding without it".

 

thanks bearcat
i was thinking of doing the clutch do you think i should do the springs?
also is it normal for these kawis to whine all the time i assume this is the tranny making this noise ?
also can you tell me what this hl module guys are talking about is?
thanks

 

If U are going to run bigger tires then yes, you will want to do some clutch spring changing.I don't need to due to where I ride & I have no plans on going to a taller/heavier tire.
Can't help U on the HL module as I don't have it, I do have a DG Module for my Cat 650 but I have decided that I don't need it either. All it does is improve your Holeshot from the get-go but for what I am using my Cat for, again I don't need it. DG just came out with the #3 to go with the DG holeshot. Go to either the HL page for more info on the HL module & check out kawie riders dot com for more info on the #3 module, it will be in the Prairie section on the Kawie riders.
The whinning noises are normal as this Kawie transmissions uses straight cut gears.
My Cat 650 isn't as noisy as my Prairies were, don't know why but I am not complaning.

 

Congrats on the big AC 650. I have a AC 650LE myself and not long ago was asking the same questions as you are now. For starters the 650 tranny does need a little help. The belt wasn't correctly tensioned from the factory. It was set on the loose side of the spec (22-27mm between the pulleys) and after 50-75mi. the belts would start slipping. If this wasn't fixed soon you would waste the belt. There are two shims in the secondary clutch pulley. One is a 1mm the other a .8mm. Remove the .8mm shim. This will tighten up the belt to the tight side of the spec where it will last the longest. You might get a slight amount of squeel when at a stop with the tranny in low or high but will go away when in neutral. The squeel should be very light and will go away as the belt wears in slightly. While your in there replace your clutch with an EPI pro clutch. Put the PINK spring and the weights in the primary clutch and the black spring in the secondary clutch. The kit will also come with a red spring but this will raise the clutch engagement up to violent RPM and you will feel like you are racing the engine all the time to keep the clutch engaged. Trust me, you don't want the red spring. The increased pressure that the black spring produces on the secondary clutch will make the belt last three times as long and allmost completely eliminates any belt slippage. The Pink spring gives you a nice smooth engegement but at a higher RPM which certainly helps the holeshot. The weights make the tranny backshift faster and makes sure that the power is always right on tap.
The HL module is made for the company High Lifter. They call it the ICM not a module. What the ICM does is increase the power of the engine off the bottom and through the entire RPM band. Where the big increase in power is is off the bottom. Kawasaki detuned the big twin below 15 mph so that the power delivery isn't so violent. We are talking a true 25-30% increase in power just off idle. All I can say is AWESOME. I researched and researched and these are two of the mods that I have done on my AC and let me tell you that they really woke the big beast up. No bull, these two mods actually turned my (and many others ) quad into a wheelie machine. I can stand the front end straight up on command. To be able to call a 650lb quad a wheelie machine is a bold statement and it holds true.
Neither one of the mods is very tough to do. You will need the primary clutch puller which EPI does sell or you can get one through your dealer. I also strongly reccomend splurging for the secondary clutch compresser also as this will save you a tramendous amount of aggravation. You either need the clutch compresser or a shop press to do the job. The ICM NEEDS TO BE SOLDERED into the wiring harness so you will need some soldering skills and some heat shrink tubeing. If you do these mods, you will not waste one penny or a minute of your time installing them. Good luck and happy trails!!!
Rich

 

thanks wookie
your info was great
my dealer is going to pull the clutch apart on wed under waranty and check for adjustment .
if it needs while he is in there hes going to install clutch kit says its new springs and weights didnt tell me what brand though also says he just got this new module for the cdi this must be the highlifter deal .
sounds like ill bee rocking hell do the clutch but ill do the mod
your help is really appreciated

 

I'll keep watching the thread so keep us posted on your results. You should try to get the dealer to agree to put the clutch kit in no matter what the belt condition is. Even if you have to pay a few bucks. I would imagine that the kit is probably an EPI kit. There are alot of companies that package the EPI components and put there name on it like High Lifter with there Outlaw clutch(made by EPI). If this is the case what I have told you before applies and you will feel a big difference just with the clutch alone. The big difference is with the ICM or module. There is probably only one company that makes those too so if you bought High Lifter's or diamond G's racing module it shouldn't matter. When you combine the two(clutch and module) the quad is going to rip. The amount of low end power the module adds and the way the clutch gets that power to the ground is nothing short of AWESOME. This is also partly the reason why you want to go with the pink spring in the primary clutch. You don't need to and don't want to rev the motor above all the low end torque it's going to produce with the module installed. It will provide you with a smooth,not jerky or violent clutch engagement slightly above the normal engagement RPM and can even be shimmed to fine tune the clutch engagement further. And best of all it keeps the tranny right smack dab in the middle of all that V-Twin power.
Good luck and ride safe.
Wook.

P.S.- Get rid of those stock radials and replace them with a set of 26" Mudlites or 589s. You won't believe how much better the quad will turn and handle. All the pushing the quad does in corners where the tires feel like there going to roll off the rims is completely eliminated. The ride gives you a much better feel of the terrain your riding on and inspires new confidence in the quads capabilities. New tires will really make a huge difference in your satisfaction with the quad. Not that your not satisfied with it now but let me make an analogy to get my point across. Take vanilla, strawberry, and choclate ice cream and put them in a bowl together. Pretty good, right? Now take that ice cream and put a sliced banana under it and cover it with hot fudge, marshmellow,cherries,nuts etc... Better, right? Put new tires on. Alot better!!! I have to go now and get myself some ice cream. I shouldn't of made that analogy.[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img][img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-mad.gif[/img][img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-shocked.gif[/img][img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif[/img][img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-shocked.gif[/img][img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-mad.gif[/img][img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]

 

THANKS AGAIN Wookie
i was planning on doing just like you say
dealer says 319 cdn for clutch kit
dont know yet price on icm
what should it be?and i thougt about tires dont know if i can spend 1000.00 right now wonder what i should do first? my dealer really likes gators over 589 your opinion?
any way ill keep you posted.

 

Do the clutch and the ICM first. The EPI clutch I bought was $199.00 American and the ICM was just over 100 bucks. An absolute deal. The clutch kit will get rid of all your tranny issues and makes the atv more reliable. The ICM is just plain fun and fairly inexpensive. Any time that you can do something to your atv that will not only improve the performance but makes it less likely to leave you stranded somewhere you have to do it and that,s what the clutch is. Did I mention that the ICM is just plain fun?
I have Mudlites and My buddy has the 589s on his 650MRP. They seem almost Identical in the mud but the mudlites are smoother on hardpack when going slow. I really like the Gators but I've never tried them. I have herd that there really heavy and a rough ride on hard pack but they will drag you through the mud. But then there was a mud tire shootout that placed the mudlites and 589s infront of them so who knows. I like my mudlites and when they wear out I will buy them again without hesitation. Paid $540 american delivered to the door mounted on series 5 cast wheels with sealer installed and chrome centercaps.

Wook.

 

will do wook
i will keep you posted
hoping to do this tomorrow but looks like i will have to work instead
so i guess thats more important
later