Cowboy,

I think I am the one that owes you an appology. After rereading my post I found that it could be interperted that I was trying to belittle you, but I would like you let you know that I wasn't and wanted to appologize if you read it as I was.

About the sport quads. The Banshee is a 347cc twin cylinder 2-stroke, the Ds650 is a 653cc DOHC single cylinder 4-stroke, as is the Raptor 660 except the Raptor has a 1mm longer stroke which add's 7cc's to give it a true 660cc's.

I got a question about the Kodiak and Grizzly. When the Kodiak flipped, was it the same driver that drove the Grizzly up in the spot where the Kodiak fliped??? Or could it have been a more experinced trail guide that rode it up?

 

The flagship title basically covers the creature comforts. A Silverado LT with an automatic transmission would take the flagship nod over a comprably equipped Chevrolet with a stick shift. Basically the same principle here.

In other words, the biggest with all the options.

 

No offence here, but just because its more expensive and has all of the options doesnt meen its the flagship model. For instance the corvette coupe (besides the zo6 version) the one with the 6speed is considered the flagship over the auto (wich by the way cost more) because the 6 speed flat out, out performs the auto. So if you look at it like me, performance wise, the manuel would be the flagship.
matty

 

Well comparing a utility ATV to a Performace car is alittle differnent. The Performance car is made to perform, and the 6 speed is the top performer so thats why it's the flagship model.

The Cat is more of a trail riding/work bike. For trail riding the auto is known to be superior(most people seem to fell this way) to a manual shift for comfort.

Also, have you noticed that the Automatic seems to get all the changes first? Like fuel tank, brakes, carb, 2wd, etc. Thats what normally happens to the flagship model, at least that how I have seen it.

 

well the cat is made to perform too. You say its a trail machine/ worker. Well the only way the manuel is lags to the auto is if the rider doesnt know how to shift. But as a trail rider the I see the manuel on top. Its a litter narrower around the engine so its a little more comfy, When going tight techinal trails you have more throttle control. It sucks up less power then the auto. As far as work goes what can you say, you have gears with manuel. I know, i know the auto holds up. But with the manuel you have better crompession braking, You can leave it in any gear an use the peak power. Where as the auto should do this, but only if the clutches are properly tuned. And they most likely are not. So as you see, the only thing the auto has over the manuel is ease of use. But if a person know how to ride a manuel, the auto is a step down compared tomanuel. But in all reality for the average owner, the auto will out perform the manuel. Just do to the fact they will not be able make the correct shifts, at the right time. Sorry for this, im starting to sound like one of those babies over at the polaris forum. No offense to Polaris owners, buut all they do there is tear into each other.
matty

 

Boner:
Hey, thanks man, I appreciate that. Also, thanks for clearing up the thing about the sport bikes there, like I said, I don't know Jack about those things. They're really not high on my list of interests, so I don't study up on them much-at all really.

As for the Kodiak/Grizz rider, that's the funny part. See, like I said, my boss had just bought the two Kodiaks, and had never ridden an atv ever in his life. He snowmobiles a lot, used to jet ski quite a bit, but never rode an atv. Anyway, he rode in along with his brother, dad and the guide. Now, apparhently when they went to pick up the animals, Jeff tried to drive up and out of the area, but was worried he'd get into trouble at one point on the hill. So, the guide took over, and the bike did roll in that same spot Jeff was worried about. So, they loaded up the animal on the Grizz, and the guide again, drove up and made it out. Now, as I wasn't there, I don't know what the hill looked like, or if a different route was taken, exactly what the circumstances were. Jeff said it was in the same place, but I've gone up a lot of hills that just by sliding over a couple inches, meant the difference of actually making it, or having to back down. And, in those circumstances, from a spectators view down below, it might look as if you were going up the same route, when indeed you were a few inches over. Who knows. Anyway, the guide ran both machines up, but the Kodiak rolled, the Grizz didn't.

What seemed even more interesting, was that at this point, they switched machines entirely, so Jeff and Bill (brothers) rode out with the elk on the Grizzlies, and George (dad) and the guide took the Kodiaks the long way around-an easier route. I can understand this, as George is somewhere around 70 years old or so, and doesn't like that more technically challenging terrain.

Anyway, hope clears it up,

Thanks again,

Mike

 

Flagship has nothing to do with performance. Its just a status type thing. The Diesel cost more than the regular Sportsman, but its not the flagship either. A Raptor will outrun a Grizz, but its not the flagship. When speaking of cars, the Corvette itself is the flagship sportscar for Chevrolet. Options on it has nothing to do with it. That may contradict my silverado statement some, but with that model, we are talking top of the line vs. Work Truck. There isn't really a crappy corvette by my standards (not saying a work truck is crappy by any means).

Take a Buick Park Avenue vs. a Roadmaster 8 years ago. The Roadmaster is the bigger car (built on the same frame as a Chevy Caprice Classic), but the Park Avenue was their top of the line luxury sedan.

This is lame, why am I even bothering here. Who the heck cares really.

 

Seems me and Boner are looking at this the same way, even though we both ride Manual 500's. That would basically say that our opinion on the Flagship idea has nothing to do with what ride we prefer.

A question, before the Rubicon, was the 450s or 450ES honda's flagship model? Hmmm... a new twist. I would say that the 450 in general was the flagship. Now if it had the same differences that the Rancher lineup has, then you might be able to find a difference. A manual rancher has no speedometer assembly and lacks floorboards, where the electric shift has both. That would make one the more preferred over the two in terms of extras.