BOB4X4 ANY ELECTRICLE PROLBEMS WITH FAN /WATER BLOWING FUSES MYWAY351 CAT500 STANDER

 

I am having trouble here seeing how you guys can never come into a situation where you spin out. I'm not meaning that you spin one and not the other when you are moving, I mean when you are just sitting there and both backs are spinning out endlessly, one front is a bit off the ground and is spinning endlessly and the other front is planted like a damn rock doing jack shiznit! Has that never happened to any of you? If not, then you need to go out and find some uneven dirt and rock hills in the middle of the stinking boonies and try going up them. Eventually, you will find out what I'm talking about, because I do this all the time, and no, there is nothing wrong with my machine either. Go into the honda forum, or the yamaha forum, or the kawasaki forum and ask about that and see what kind of results you get. They all have limited slip front ends too, and most likely know this all too well. Shoot, go to the honda forum and ask Gordon Banks about this. He is a guru of anything quad related and is a pretty good source. Better yet, jack your quad up on blocks to where no tire is touching. Then have somebody hold one front tire steady, and give it some gas. I have a feeling that you will be able to hold it while the other 3 spin. If not, then Arctic Cat made some leaps and bounds in a year's time. Once again, the rear tires have to be spinning out too, otherwise you are making forward progress and of course the fronts will both be turning. Log climbing isn't much of an example either because both fronts are normally on the log, and if not, you usually have momentum with the rears to keep you going. I really can't understand how many of you haven't seen this happen. Does everyone live in Kansas?

 

Andy well said I have a 2000 300 4x4 I have definetly been in your situation but I have had good luck tapping brakes.This weekend I high centered on a dirt pile and got them spinning so a buddy tried to hold one as I tapped the brakes the dirt would fly from both the front.

 

OK, I feel a TAD bit better, knowing that I am not the only one who hasn't been unfortunate enough to experience this. For the record though, I will test your expirement this weekend, with the blocks, and see what happens. Oh, and about that log comment, I came to a stop just before I got onto it, then stopped on top of it, with my right front tire probably 6-8" in the air, then gave it some gas to crawl over. I was in 4 Lo, and both tires were spinning. I am not sure why or how this happened, but it did. What exactly does tapping the break do in this situation? By the sounds of a few other comments, somehow tapping the break will engage the front end better? Sorry, guess I don't fully understand the whole issue here. Again, I'll test the block trick this weekend to see what happens.

Thanks for the info, please excuse my pestering here-just some ignorant driver, with a lot to learn!!! Heh Heh Heh.

Mike

 

Please Andy, stop you are killing me! Did you read the reply in the Polaris forum about differentials? If you dont understand how something works isnt it better to keep silent and let people think you dont know about it, then to keep going on and on about it and proving them right? PLEASE go to the library and get a book or something, bad information is bad for everyone.
I'm sorry if this sounds rude but it does no one any good to spread incorrect info. It also tends to make people not respect or trust your opinion when it is correct.

 

 

Trailboss- Seems to me that you really don't have the slightest clue what you are talking about. I happen to own an AC 454 with (mind you) a "limited slip" 4wd system. It is like Andy said. If you get into a situation where you are spinning out you can always look at one tire and it will be doing Jack ****. Maybe you are the one that needs the library book and keep silent. I have had this happen to me many times. Maybe I was just imagining all of it. That's it, I was just imagining it.

Also, if he is spreading bad info, then what would be the correct info. Tell me that if you are so smart and all knowing. I would really like to know. Or better yet, just shut your mouth before you make yourself look like a "DAMN FOOL".

 

Ok here is the answer to all you questions.
Postive traction all wheels pull under all conditions
Limited slip,,, the quad transfers power from the tire that slips to the tire that grips (at least in theory) Usually the tire with traction transfers all power to the tire that slips why????
I have no Idea but it does,
Why the Break Idea works?? Got me there too but it does.

 

Limit Slip diferentials work as they are designed up to a certain point. This point is called the torque bias of the differential. This is the amount of difference in torque that the differential can handle between the two front wheels before one of the wheels stops spinning; ie the one in the least amount of traction (the one in the air). I believe that the torque bias on the cats is around 50:50, so if one wheel has more than 50% torque than the other wheel, then the other wheel will spin. In the mud this is usually not a problem, I find it a problem when climbing steep loose hils, or in odd ruts.
The reason that holding the brakes on works, is that it attemps to equalize the torque between the two wheels. Sometimes it works, but if there is a big difference in torque you have to really hold on the brakes.
I'm kinda mad about the way Arctic Cat advertizes their 4wd system, in their phamplets it says they have a locking front end. I bought my fourwheeler with the understanding that it had a locking front differential, but it clearly does not. Even the stupid dealer didn't realize until I told him that it was only a limited slip.

 

That's a good point. When I am climbing a steep incline one tire is normally bound to stop and the other that is not grasping anything whatsoever is spinning like a bat out of hell. As you said, I have not found this to be a big prob in mud, but I have only taken the CAT in the mud one major time. So I guess that leaves me out of giving any advice on how the front differential works in the mud. I don't however understand how come Arctic Cat doesn't design there Front diff to hold a locker kit? Maybe it's one of those questions that little kids ask that we will never know.