may i say this again. 660cc should have more than 38 hp and not get beat by a 125cc dirt bike. yes they have a lil less hp than a raptor, but weigh less. but if it had the power of a 650cc dirt bike it would have "true" 650 class power. they throw detuned motors in quads and u have to buy sh** for them to have the power they shoulda had stock. i mean look. a 250 dirt bike has about 45 hp. a banshee has 40. its a 350 TWIN. come on. yes down the road when u modify them the the banshee will have the most hp, but u shouldnt have to pay for it. these big bore quads are all HYPE sorry. i owned a raptor, and i was NOT IMPRESSED. ok its fast, but not as fast as it should be. ur paying for the numbers on the tank. o yeah my friend is always bringing his raptor to be fixed to me dad
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Sure... what ever you say sparky [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]

 

Hey 2004ds650, You do understand the difference between a 2 wheel Motorcycle and a 4 wheel ATV, Right?

That's right, 2 wheels!!! Now on with the lesson.

First off, you are comparing Apples and Oranges. Now before you head to the refridgerator to compare the two, what I mean is that they are 2 completely different vehicles (Motorcycles & ATV's). The motor in a quad, has to have more TORQUE than a Motorcycle, because it not only has more weight, but due to the 4 wheels, and the overall size, it has more resistence (Rolling Mass). When you tune a motor to give it more Torque, it tends to suffer in the HP department (Read on to find out why you can't just have both).

A motorcycle, because of it lower resistence (Only 2 wheels) and less rotating mass, doesn't require as much Torque, and therefore can rely on HP to get the job done.

As with any motorized vehicle, you can do all kinds of things to increase both Torque and HP. At some point however, (Here is the part about not having both) you get to the point where Reliability and Safety becomes an issue. The Manufacturers need to build Reliable, SAFE machines to sell to the public. The Aftermarket Companies then take over giving you the option of increasing the performance of your quad. How far you take it is up to you.

Now be sure and study the information I have given you, there May be a Test, and go ahead and eat both the Apple and the Orange, fruit is good for you.

 

wimp...

 

no.1 dont talk to me like im stupid, i am familiar with the term. also i understand ur point, but if the after market can do it, why cant the manufacturer? im not saying build a monster, but build something that lives up to the name. 660 raptor? feels like a 066 raptor stock.

 

Arent oranges sweeter then apples? I like both

 

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Yeah, My Grandma rides a raptor and she says her riding lawnmower has more get up.

 

When you come to think of it our 3 cylinder John Deere is a screamer.

 

no.1 Stop saying Stupid Sh*t.


OK, fair enough. Lets go with your idea. What would you say would be a good performance quad, power wise/top speed?

How much HP is too much? 50 RWHP, 60 RWHP, you tell me?

Is 80mph fast enough? How about 90mph? Heck while we are at it, let's just make it an even 100mph.

Now, who is going to buy/ride such a quad? Should a Novice or Beginner be able to go out and purchase this quad? Or should the Manufacturers/Government put limitations on WHO can purchase a quad with those kind of numbers? Do we really want them more involved than they already are? Because that is what would happen.

We have been down this road before you and I. What happens when the first person who doesn't have the skills it takes to ride such a quad, is Injured for life or is Killed on a 100hp/100mph quad. Who is going to pay?

Ding, times up! "WE ALL WILL"

You speak in all of your post about how everyone is "Stupid", and "they just don't get it". You need to take a long hard look at your line of thinking and see if you can't figure this one out on your own.

If you want a 100hp/100mph quad, the aftermarket industry would be more than happy to relieve you of some of you hard earned money, but you can't expect Yamaha to put their Company on the line, just because YOU don't think that a 660 Raptor is Fast enough.

But Hey Please be careful, I would sure miss all of these intellectual conversations we keep having.