sooo...

i little over a month ago bought my first sport quad, since i have been riding every weekend and several weekdays.

i got a very generous tax return, my dad wants to buy my quad from me and help me buy a new quad.

i am looking very hard at http://www.media.suzuki.com/mc...ages/LTR450_Black.jpg


especially after i have heard that it is a very stable quad. also i have been hearing alot of good from a few different people 1 of which being a dealer friend of mine who prefers the ltr over the yfz as far as performance.

the quad that i will becoming out of is a suzuki quadsport400 i love it but it rides tall and i can feel that i would like a wider shorter foot print.

i`m not really sold on the 700r it seams more ego then anything else to me, i like what they do with smaller 450`s rather then just a bigger engine.

any suggestions? i`m not really that worried about price.

 

People like to talk smack about the Raptor esp 450 lovers. If you ride any sort of trails all I will say is ride a Raptor 700 (not a 660) once and I promise you will have a second opion abut them, even if you own a 450. My choice for a 450 would be the new YFZ 450R best 450 going!

http://www.powersportsnetwork....&vehicle2=101551&go=Go

 

The yfz 450 would be my choice.
my friend has had a ltr 450 and raced motocross with it,and said that if u land hard or hit a bunch of bumps. it knocks it into nutreul.
and the yfz is faster stock on stock.
the yfz tops at 78mph.
and the ltr is around 74mph.
if u aint worried about the price
go with a can-am renegade 800.=10,000$=92mph stock

 

i have been riding with a guy on a 450 lt , i was on my 700 & he couldnt keep up , my 13 year old was on the 660 & dusted him , just ride a 700 & you will not get back on the 450

 

Hey, I'm the only person on this thread that actually OWNS an LTR-450, so yeah lol.

"especially after i have heard that it is a very stable quad."

It is one of the most stable quads. I can take turns very fast without lifting. I would take it over a 700R anyday. The LTR is light in comparison, although the 700 is a larger engine, they will probably drive at about the same speed.

And it does not "knock into nutreul". Probably your friend has a twitchy foot or something. You say that the YFZ is faster. It is 4mph faster. How many times are you even going to be going 70? The regular YFZ doesn't even has EFI. And why would he switch to a Renegade 800? It's NOT a sport quad. It's a damn good quad, but it's just an Outlander with sport plastics. He obviously wants a sport quad.

and extremelawncare.... obviously the guy riding the LTR couldn't drive for his life...

dodge, you say ride the raptor after riding a 450 and you won't want to go back...there are tons of guys on LTR450HQ that hate the raptor with a passion... can't stand driving it, they complain about having to ride it... one guy was complaining about how his LTR was in storage still and it was a nice day and he had to ride his dad's "craptor" instead....

And once again we go to the YFZ450R vs LTR thing... jesus when will it end. The LTR was the first innovative 450 quad, with EFI and 50"s wide. That was in 06. In 09, everyone is praising the YFZ450R. It doesn't bring anything new to the table. It is a 450 with EFI and it's 50"s wide. If you want an innovative 450 today, you buy a KTM or a Can-Am 450. I'd say for 450s, it goes 1) KTM, if all you do is race, and 1) Can Am, if you both race and go for the occasional ride with friends or whatever, 2) LTR 450 and YFZ 450, and then 3) every other 450.

Look, compare the specs of the 08 Limited Edition LTR to the 09 YFZ450R. Pretty similar. Let's see... the YFZ450R costs more...has slightly larger tires...slightly shorter and skinnier (so it's less stable infact), slightly higher seat, 1/2 the ground clearance (9.4 inches in the LTR, 4.5 inches on the YFZ450R), and a heavier dry weight on the YFZ450R, which is 405 lbs vs the LTRs 368. http://www.powersportsnetwork....4&vehicle2=54162&go=Go That's the 08 that he's looking at, not the 09 that you were comparing it to.

Bottom line... go sit on the LTR 450, start it up, maybe drive it around the lot... I'm sure you will feel comfortable on it. Plus since you were looking at the 08 limited edition, I'm sure dealers will give you a good price. On the LTR450 Central forum guys were saying that in the US they could get an 08 LTR LE for like 5, 6 thousand, vs Yamaha's 9 grand that they probably won't move much on (since it's a new model).

 

i`m really not worried about top speed especially a difference of 4 mph.

knocking it into neutral that is a concern.

i find myself more geared towards the suzuki because of the width length ride height and clearence, it seams like evryone has a yfz, and however minor it may be i still want to be 100% happy with it but i just love the look of the suzuki better.

to settle the next thought, no... the look is not a selling point.

i`m not super concerned about price but i`d rather not go to much over 8 grand

what i would like to do is find someone who has ridden the suzuki more extensively and see what they say about it.

please don`t take this as i am against the yfz i know its an awesome quad i just wanna hash it out best i can and feel 100% comfortable with what i am purchasing. hell for all i know between now and then they could have something used or some great deal or something by then that i may want more.

 

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: Canadian144

Hey, I'm the only person on this thread that actually OWNS an LTR-450, so yeah lol.



"especially after i have heard that it is a very stable quad."



It is one of the most stable quads. I can take turns very fast without lifting. I would take it over a 700R anyday. The LTR is light in comparison, although the 700 is a larger engine, they will probably drive at about the same speed.



And it does not "knock into nutreul". Probably your friend has a twitchy foot or something. You say that the YFZ is faster. It is 4mph faster. How many times are you even going to be going 70? The regular YFZ doesn't even has EFI. And why would he switch to a Renegade 800? It's NOT a sport quad. It's a damn good quad, but it's just an Outlander with sport plastics. He obviously wants a sport quad.



and extremelawncare.... obviously the guy riding the LTR couldn't drive for his life...



dodge, you say ride the raptor after riding a 450 and you won't want to go back...there are tons of guys on LTR450HQ that hate the raptor with a passion... can't stand driving it, they complain about having to ride it... one guy was complaining about how his LTR was in storage still and it was a nice day and he had to ride his dad's "craptor" instead....



And once again we go to the YFZ450R vs LTR thing... jesus when will it end. The LTR was the first innovative 450 quad, with EFI and 50"s wide. That was in 06. In 09, everyone is praising the YFZ450R. It doesn't bring anything new to the table. It is a 450 with EFI and it's 50"s wide. If you want an innovative 450 today, you buy a KTM or a Can-Am 450. I'd say for 450s, it goes 1) KTM, if all you do is race, and 1) Can Am, if you both race and go for the occasional ride with friends or whatever, 2) LTR 450 and YFZ 450, and then 3) every other 450.



Look, compare the specs of the 08 Limited Edition LTR to the 09 YFZ450R. Pretty similar. Let's see... the YFZ450R costs more...has slightly larger tires...slightly shorter and skinnier (so it's less stable infact), slightly higher seat, 1/2 the ground clearance (9.4 inches in the LTR, 4.5 inches on the YFZ450R), and a heavier dry weight on the YFZ450R, which is 405 lbs vs the LTRs 368. http://www.powersportsnetwork....4&vehicle2=54162&go=Go That's the 08 that he's looking at, not the 09 that you were comparing it to.



Bottom line... go sit on the LTR 450, start it up, maybe drive it around the lot... I'm sure you will feel comfortable on it. Plus since you were looking at the 08 limited edition, I'm sure dealers will give you a good price. On the LTR450 Central forum guys were saying that in the US they could get an 08 LTR LE for like 5, 6 thousand, vs Yamaha's 9 grand that they probably won't move much on (since it's a new model).</end quote></div>

Lets set the facts about this right the YFZ. It is the first 450 made so lets see who is casing who? Nuff said! As far as guys hating the Raptor there is obviously more that like it than don't as it is the #1 selling sport quad. If you like something it will depend on where and how you ride you obviously ride track or open dirt roads but I promises where I ride no 450 will keep up. Most 4x4s wont go where I do if don't believe me look at my picks. If you want to start pointing fingers get your facts straight. . YOU need to ride the quad before knocking it and then you will have some creditability! Like it or not the YFZ450R is the newest and greatest 450 made and even Suzuki will be taking notes just like they did on the first gen!
JFYI I have respect for you but that respect is going down hill fast!

 

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: Davew18

i`m really not worried about top speed especially a difference of 4 mph.



knocking it into neutral that is a concern.



i find myself more geared towards the suzuki because of the width length ride height and clearence, it seams like evryone has a yfz, and however minor it may be i still want to be 100% happy with it but i just love the look of the suzuki better.



to settle the next thought, no... the look is not a selling point.



i`m not super concerned about price but i`d rather not go to much over 8 grand



what i would like to do is find someone who has ridden the suzuki more extensively and see what they say about it.



please don`t take this as i am against the yfz i know its an awesome quad i just wanna hash it out best i can and feel 100% comfortable with what i am purchasing. hell for all i know between now and then they could have something used or some great deal or something by then that i may want more.</end quote></div>

One thing to think about is yes the Suzuki is very stable in the turns due to its width but if you plan on trail riding that width becomes your worst enemy at 50' wide it will just barely fit through most trail/gate openings! JFYI another good 450 that might fit your needs is the KFX450 as it has reverse.

 

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: DODGE57HEMI

Lets set the facts about this right the YFZ. It is the first 450 made so lets see who is casing who? Nuff said! As far as guys hating the Raptor there is obviously more that like it than don't as it is the #1 selling sport quad. If you like something it will depend on where and how you ride you obviously ride track or open dirt roads but I promises where I ride no 450 will keep up. Most 4x4s wont go where I do if don't believe me look at my picks. If you want to start pointing fingers get your facts straight. . YOU need to ride the quad before knocking it and then you will have some creditability! Like it or not the YFZ450R is the newest and greatest 450 made and even Suzuki will be taking notes just like they did on the first gen!

JFYI I have respect for you but that respect is going down hill fast!</end quote></div>

That's true that originally, everyone was chasing Yamaha, but after the LTR in 06, everyone was chasing Suzuki. Just look. The LTR was the first 450 bike with EFI and wider a-arms and rear axle. A few years later what happens? KTM comes out with a similar race-ready bike (with better all-around race ready parts). Then Can-Am comes out with their DS450 MX for 2009. And the YFZ450R rolls out a month or so after. The YFZ definitely set off the 450 trend, and the LTR set off the race-ready trend. That's all I was trying to say there.

" If you like something it will depend on where and how you ride you obviously ride track or open dirt roads but I promises where I ride no 450 will keep up. "

Not disagreeing with this, but he never said specifically what terrain he would be riding. I think the KTM 450 XC or 505 XC (and the Polaris outlaw counterparts) and the Can Am DS450 XC could probably keep up with you through most of the terrain that you could push your 700 through. I'm not bashing the 700 as a trail bike, it's a great one, but I just don't like to have a really heavy bike with a huge engine. Heck, if I could have any bike on the market right now, I would probably take a Can Am DS450 X XC.... such a nice bike IMO!

I'm not (specifically) knocking the 700... I was just saying what other LTR guys think of it. I have nothing against it. When I was at the ATV show buying my LTR, I had a choice between the LTR 450, or a Raptor 350 for a year (and then upgrading to a 700 the next year), but Suzuki gave us a better deal, and I felt more comfortable on the LTR personally.

I wasn't knocking the YFZ450R either... I was just saying that I don't understand why it is such a big deal. Sure it is a nice bike. I was just saying from the technical specifications on it it a) doesn't bring anything new to the table, and b) does a few things worse than the LTR (weight, ground clearance, and price). I haven't rode it yet, but I would like to when the opportunity arises. Just out of curiosity, have you rode both bikes?

"the YFZ450R is the newest and greatest 450 made and even Suzuki will be taking notes just like they did on the first gen"

I am saying that I don't think that the YFZ450R is the newest and greatest 450 made... it is a great bike, but it is on par with the efforts from Suzuki and Can Am. I don't see anything that the YFZR does better than the LTR does that Suzuki could improve upon. From a technical standpoint, there is nothing that Suzuki can do really. Maybe make the EFI more dependable (but I have not had any issues with mine, nor has every other LTR owner I have talked to). Once again, I just think that the KTMs are the greatest 450s made. They are FULLY race ready. Like it or not, with a YFZ450R or an LTR you do need to make modifications to race (competitively). The KTM you don't need to do ANYTHING. That's why it is so great. And they offer it in XC and MX versions. And that's also why I think that Can Am's 450s are better than Suzukis and Yamahas. They offer them in an XC and an MX version, and both have EFI. I would like to see Yamaha offer a YFZ450XC, basically an EFI equipped YFZ, but with the aluminum frame and other doo-dads of the YFZR. Also some skids. Same goes for Suzuki. Drop the LTR's engine into the new Z400, put on some skids, and you got yourself an LTXC.

Also, I agree that the KFX450 is pretty good. A guy on the LTR450HQ traded over to one, no complaints so far, but he says that he kinda misses some parts of the LTR [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]. Does the KFX have EFI though? I don't remember...

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote> knocking it into neutral that is a concern. what i would like to do is find someone who has ridden the suzuki more extensively and see what they say about it. </end quote></div>

I dunno if you ignored my post...but I have an LTR (2008 limited edition) and don't have any problems with it going into neutral by itself. I have never been going along and it just jumps into N. I have been going along in 1 and accidentally gone into N two times, but that was when I was first learning how to shift. I have no problems with mine WHATSOEVER.

If you are going to be riding just trails, you can save yourself quite a bit of money over the cost of buying a new quad. Buy a Yoshimura big-bore kit, and maybe a Yoshi exhaust for your Z400, and you will have a Z450 basically. It will be like an LTR450 but narrower. It will save you some money in the long run. If you have an 09 Z400, with the EFI and LTR plastics, that is probably what I would do. You may want to splurge on a new quad, but it makes more financial sense to just big-bore your Z400. JMO

 

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