You exactly right. I think the turbo's have great potential to make a profound statement in the drag racing arena. I think within the next year or so, you will see the turbo's producing high horsepower on a more reliable scale than in times past and gone. Just my opinion though. In the right hands they will be a force to be reckoned with....[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]

 

Kelley with KMS already has an 140hp Raptor turbo with nitrous. How much more horsepower are you looking for? Honestly, after seeing these bikes run, and overide would be the ticket. The problem as I see it, is once they build boost, its only a moment until there at the rev limit, then they let off shift and wait for the boost, they loose alot of ground in that process. If someone can get an overide done, it should stop the process of loosing boost, it would just be a matter of keeping the front end down, and having the clutch hold together through the shift.
If you seen that raptor run, you know what I'm talking about, it is still spinning the tires at 650' of run. It s incredibly.

On a different note, nitrous and turbos do the same thing, just in different ways. Both are inducing air, its just done different. So if someone wants to go as fast as a turbo bike, just add more nitrous and fuel. You can get the same power out of both.

Now my opinion on the cams. I know first hand the difference between a good shelf cam, Web 109's, and a true nitrous cam, HPR4nitrous. The 109's are great for all motor, but get the volume of air up, as in add nitrous, they stop performing. Add a true nitrous cam that is meant to flow the extra air, and do a couple other things to make the nitrous, or turbo work, you get a very significant advantage. If we had never ran the 109's with nitrous, we would never had known how poor they run on the bottle. Just by pulling the cams and going to nitrous cams, we gained a few mph on the hill with the exact same bike! Proofs in the pudding, they just work. Now add HPR5nitrous cams to the equation, now were talking, add a couple more mph to that. Remember with both nitrous and turbos, you might be forcing more air in, but the motor has to push it out, it comes down to the cams to keep the valve open long enough to release all the extra air in there. I know there is more to it then the duration and lift of the cam, but I leave that up to experts!

 

Well, after alot of headache and troubleshooting, Robert Malliet is now running good on his KMS Turbo/ Fuel Injetion. I pity anyone who has to go through this without a good dyno. It would be frustrating and near impossible to get the fuel injection tuned. Who said swapping jets in a carb is a pain? The fuel injection is more like self teach instead of self learn!
His bike is bone stock: by that I mean nothing but with turbo and fuel injection and msd ignition only.
It made corrected 80hp and 58.5 ft-lbs on gas. This is compared to a crate stock 44.5hp and 38.5 ft-lb bike in these weather conditions with stock jetting. Congratulations to Robert. Until the next round when turbo ported head and turbo cams go in. Then alcohol, then an ignition that can do what a turbo needs (where do we get one of those?).

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if your talking about pulling timing out as boost goes up msd already makes one.i run a retard box now when the nitrous is engaged only way to make it live with 14-1 and bottle.it plugs right in to the msd module very clean setup