10 seconds takes me up almost any hill. Most of the time a lot less. However, this could be modified by Boss for builders if they wanted to im sure. With the other way, you have an electrically powered fuel system thats independant of the nitrous system. If one fails, you have problems. Boonies and Boss have them tied together. The alternative, is to risk engine damage if the fuel system goes out. Again, I believe it solves more problems then it creates. I think you have to contemplate that both boonies and boss are systems for the masses.

 

Yes I agree, these two systems are more for the general public. But dont agree on time frame you can hold the button. If Boss says 10 seconds and thats it, that just is not long enough. 18 seconds on the hill in Utah, and thats at 56 mph. I hold it all the way, I would be pissed if I couldnt. These are two systems vary much alike. Boondockers revolutionised the way nitrous is used, boss is trying to take that too another level, using some of the old school techniques.

 

I could be mistaken Jed, but I'm pretty sure they are holding the button all the way up our hill in testing...
I tried to call Jim tonight to verify but I missed him..
Web site does say you can spray continuously.
I will be talking to him tommorow if I can track him down.
Nate

 

I do agree that this system is probably good for the normal user. There is nothing to installing this system and there really isnt much to the actual system itself. I had a fuel pump fail at sandfest in september. Luckily I had a fuel pressure gauge in the dash and I noticed it before I used it. For me I like to know if the system is up and ready to run. There is alot more to a fogger system though, alot more tuning for diffrent conditions. I wouldn't mind trying the boss noss out. I am all for any N20 system. I am glad to see someone taking it that step further. But I can put together a fogger for around $200 and I can get alot more out of it.

I would like to see you put one on your bike and tell us how you like it. Like I said I like the concept behind it, but just kind of concerned about some of the components.

 

Jed, I hear what you are saying. I know that there are some hills (perhaps more in Utah) that are longer. The ones I've been on are dune drags and I've not had that issue there. However, I did run accross a long hill at Winchester bay and needed my hit to be longer, and I ended up gurgling in a rich condition on the way up. Could it be longer? Its a cylinder that could be bigger - so yes. Will it be changed? I guess it depends on how many feel the same way you do and are willing to pay the extra (if any) it costs. I know I've thought about the builders a lot - heck I was one. And I know that hill shoots like Olds will need to have a bigger shot. Personally, I would like to see two types of kits, one for the General Public, and one for the builders. Thats just my opinion, and I think that kit could take some of the risks because the builders are smarter about tuning then the GP is. Again, a lot has to do with making sure the carb is tuned correctly. You and I know that the GP are not right on in that department. Nitrous basically can make a bad situation worse - Even if the nitrous is right on as far as tuning, if your carb isnt , and you add nitrous for a longer period like 20 seconds, you end up squeeking your cylinder. Im all about changing the perception of Nitrous, but I dont want to go back to the days of fear, just when we are making progress in the minds of people are considering nitrous as a safe power adder. If there are people out there that like to tinker, then they will tune thier nitrous, crimp thier wires, and listen for pings all the way up the hill. Those are the folks that are used to running paranoid. Most of the GP does not want to tinker - especially when it comes to Nitrous. A longer hit seems like it would not only be a nice thing for builders, but recognition as well - for example running up "Olds" length hills, a certain very popular events.

JM2C

 

I agree ODP.

 

Yes, you can piece part a fogger system for yourself and make it cheaper. But that is not a kit. As soon as you make a kit, with install instructions you better believe your liability insurance goes sky high. Plus, people that install them incorrectly, without tuning, watching pressures and understanding connections, end up squeeking the nikasil right off the cylinder. And there we are, with another NOS image problem, like we had at 4SW 3 years ago. How many years did that video go around?

AMD, I hear what you are saying about an inexpensive set up. You are a lot like many builders that want to tinker. The GP does not like to, thats why they take thier quads into builders and have it done for them. The problem, is that when it goes out the door with a piece built system, they know nothing about the issues associated with running lean or rich, and what the variables are that cause that to happen. I would think that most builders would want a reliable system installed on thier customer's quads. Now, are there changes that can be made to accomidate more folks? I think so. But its going to take someone that listens and takes those back to the guys that make the stuff. Holly doesnt even have a rep for thier ATV systems. And you and I know there is ZERO development with thier ATV kits. It comes down to investing in the ones that are making the progress - People can either choose to, or not. I dont think $700-$800 is bad for 20hp-30hp - especially if its reliable.

 

Well from what I can tell the Boss system seems to leave the least amount of room for error. As for me being one of the general public, that would be what I need. I don't need more then about 10 seconds worth of hit for anything I do. Of course, all that could change when I get to go play on these really long hills...

I did read on one of the Boss sites that they have an electric fuel pump that eliminates the 10 second issue. Not sure if that cost a whole lot more but might be worth someone looking into.

 

You are right about that ODP.

 

Nate,

I didnt know you knew Jim - Personal friend or aquaintance?

Marky