I don't think it's a bad comment, but you should probably qualify your comment to point out things other than cams.

Cams are on the high end, but so are their performance. If you are talking about exhaust... they are right on the bubble with other manufacturers. If you are talking about a big bore kit... again, they're right on target. Pistons are pricey, but have you seen the piston and ring package? WICKED. In fact, I bet if you do a search about pistons, you find Mr. HP's comments on weight. Each of the known pistons were weighed. down to the gram, the HPR Superfeather weight was BY FAR the lightest piston.

Think of it as going to Wally World for a COMPUTER (thought you'd like that 222) vs going to a computer store. The computer store will have relatively the same type of stuff, but also carries the top dogs of the industry. You can have the top dog, buy you'll have to pay. Know what I mean vern?

 

Hi Guys on the thread of Price for the DS perf. parts .. .is there any room for price negoications?
As I would like to pick up the Race head and 730 kit but between the Steep prices and left over parts its kind of makes it hard.
For example for say 1500 you could pick up the 730 kit they keep the core and offer the head work for an additional 500. That's not a bad deal on both ends. But as it stands its 4 grand for the Head, Piston, Jug and mis parts... then I still hold the old items ... and try to sell them on e-bay ? ...
I have money to burn on the activity I love but Not quite that much... got that dang house payment and kids you know.

 

I agree ILivSD,
Hey I admit Im a cheap bastard when it comes to fixen up toys, Im not saying that the high price items dont work Im saying OUCH on the cost, and yes Im hearing nothing but Great things for HPR products.
One member wrote in chat that with the HPR products you get the most HP/performence for your buck, But Im betting that most of the DS650 owners here are not Hill Draggers/Racers, but weekend recreational family riders just wanting some extra perforance and to be spending 265 dollars on cams to get 3 to 4 HP vs 400 plus to get 4 to 5 HP or get a piston for 150 dollars for 11:5 to 1 piston vs 250.00. Look some of you guys GOT to have the Best and the fastest, but allot of us are just trying pump up some extra ponies with out killing our wallets.
Just so you know why I'm cranken , I was going over the cost of getting close to 70 HP out of my LT 500 and was under 1500.00 and to do the same on the 650 is well over 3000.
My 5 cents worth

 

1.6 hp difference, most of that is above 6500 RPM. Dyno sheet on my page.

 

Hey ERBEDS650,

I realize that the pionears who buy the latest and greatest typically pay the R&D costs for the cutting edge technology... that's why the knife cuts both ways but I have seen the oppsite with DS parts... if you jump on early you get the price break and if you wait its higher later and stays there. I guess because you purchaseing proven performance parts ?
I just keep compairing 4 g's worth of upgrades to get a bit more performance or I can pick up say a whole nother (used) DS for that price. I guess its just steep for me and I am working two jobs to afford the upgrade... but then there is that Hot tub I want... man its just a chunk of money I can go buy a lot of beer with.
If they lower the price they will sell more... just ask old Henery Ford....

 

Well just make the Hot Tub Portable to go to Glamis !!!

 

Don't forget about supply and demand. Randall might not like me saying this but a lot of their really cool stuff is sold out and they are waiting for manufacturing to catch up. To all of you who said winning races does not provide sales, when they got back from winning KOTH with Glenn, they found they way underestimated the demand for their high end products. These guys (HPR) are so detail oriented and **** about finding that last 1/4 horsepower, they couldn't possibly (IMHO) bring on help to make it possible for them to turn out more work. I think they want to fill their niche which right now is top performance and do the volume they can responsibly handle and charge what the work is worth. Walmart is great and I support them but when it comes to engine builders, I want guys who will do it right down to the last washer and charge me what it takes to make it worth their while to keep developing the best parts money can buy.

If there is anyone some of you should be frustrated with, it is the customers who are buying all this stuff at the prices they are asking. If we would stop paying the prices, maybe HPR would stop trying so hard to be great, and settle for being adequate so they could lower their prices and push more product.

Btw, I only know of two companies that have posted the $35k or so that it takes to have a casting made of a cylinder and that is Pami and HPR. Out of the two, HPR is a couple hundred dollars cheaper. After forking over that much + R&D to design it + material cost to build the sellable units and then overhead of running an organization, these guys both have to sell a ton of units to recoup their investment before they can even think about making money on these kits.

I know you love my perspective ERBE so I thought I would chime in. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]

Ron

 

LOL I knew you would'nt let this one up with out a retorte from DSnut, just put me on your X-Mass list this year DSnut, I need some DS goodies![img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img] Like some IMS footpegs or some IMS heel gaurds, or some shim under buckets and springs....................

 

You don't need to be on anyone's Christmas list. You can buy what you want to buy, you just aren't convinced yet that the more expensive product is worth the extra money. That's cool. I am curious to see how your Aluminum sleeve works out.

Ron

 

Hey just a small write up, Guess what I found out, ya know this exhaust comes with a spark arrester screen and guess what? LOL some of the loose fiberglass packing I guess blows out and guess where it ends up ??
Yep had a brain fart, took the screen out cleaned it and replaced it, and wooohoooo what a difference, got the bottom end I was missing and the midrange increased some again!!!

And oh DSnut dont worry about the IMS pegs, Got em.....but the shim underbuckets are still on my list [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]