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Old Mar 14, 2006 | 11:13 AM
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Originally posted by: SANDMAN430
well my system seems to go rich over lean since it is the bottle pressure that fades. i start in second which reduces the chance of a missed gear.
With the NX and the Holley, that is exactly what happens when the system is not regulated. Gary did a good job of telling you how to work that system. And I give you credit for acting on that. But you know, Gary will be the first to tell you that it scares the heck out of him to put those systems on most customer motors - because those systems change so much depending on pressure - which is affected by bottle volume & outside temperature. Most customers get complacent, and then squeek a cylinder. That doesnt do the builder or the customer any good.
 
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Old Mar 14, 2006 | 01:30 PM
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hey i just like the joy of working on the machine reminds me of 2 stroke days[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]
 
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Old Dec 18, 2006 | 05:31 PM
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Originally posted by: Majorecho
I'd be more than just a bit leary to run Nitrous w/o a rev limiter, sooner or later it will catch up to ya, when we pulled Demons motor apart we could see where the valves had smacked his stock piston, a missed shift and an over rev and that's all it takes, a rev limiter is good insurance.

btw- hows that endcap coming?
This is the type of situation I worry about and have heard several horror stories of.

Sorry to pick on you Major, lol. I didn't realize you were the precedent on both sides of this discussion, lol.

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Old Dec 18, 2006 | 05:45 PM
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Originally posted by: Majorecho
I'd be more than just a bit leary to run Nitrous w/o a rev limiter, sooner or later it will catch up to ya, when we pulled Demons motor apart we could see where the valves had smacked his stock piston, a missed shift and an over rev and that's all it takes, a rev limiter is good insurance.

btw- hows that endcap coming?
This is the type of situation I worry about and have heard several horror stories of.

Sorry to pick on you Major, lol. I didn't realize you were the precedent on both sides of this discussion, lol.

It is all good because we are all learning! [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img][img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]
This is not a nitrous problem. You overrev any motor to vavle float you will have problems. I mean if he had a tm45 on should we blame it on that or the LTE exhaust. NO. You rev a motor out of the range the springs can handle and you will know it NA, nitrous, or supercharged. Next we will have to put warnings on aftermarket cams and light pistons because it makes the engine rev faster if you miss a shift with no rev limiter blame it on the piston and cam grinder.
 
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Old Dec 18, 2006 | 05:54 PM
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Given the human reaction time, if you are WOT and at the top of the rev range and the tranny pops out of gear, the chances of floating the valves is much greater on NOS than without. You will be at a higher rpm when you realize something is wrong and back off.

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Old Dec 18, 2006 | 06:01 PM
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Originally posted by: DSNUT
Given the human reaction time, if you are WOT and at the top of the rev range and the tranny pops out of gear, the chances of floating the valves is much greater on NOS than without. You will be at a higher rpm when you realize something is wrong and back off.

Sorry, bud. I'm not changing my mind here. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]
What is the rev time of a motor under a load at shiftpoint to overrev when its kicked out of gear ? Anything more then .400 i don't think any human can react that fast nitrous or not.
 
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Old Dec 18, 2006 | 06:03 PM
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Originally posted by: rcoop
Originally posted by: DSNUT
Originally posted by: Majorecho
I'd be more than just a bit leary to run Nitrous w/o a rev limiter, sooner or later it will catch up to ya, when we pulled Demons motor apart we could see where the valves had smacked his stock piston, a missed shift and an over rev and that's all it takes, a rev limiter is good insurance.

btw- hows that endcap coming?
This is the type of situation I worry about and have heard several horror stories of.

Sorry to pick on you Major, lol. I didn't realize you were the precedent on both sides of this discussion, lol.

It is all good because we are all learning! [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img][img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]
This is not a nitrous problem. You overrev any motor to vavle float you will have problems. I mean if he had a tm45 on should we blame it on that or the LTE exhaust. NO. You rev a motor out of the range the springs can handle and you will know it NA, nitrous, or supercharged. Next we will have to put warnings on aftermarket cams and light pistons because it makes the engine rev faster if you miss a shift with no rev limiter blame it on the piston and cam grinder.

This is may be the best reason I have heard to not buy a Woods CDI.......for Nitrous or Motor applications. Always run a rev limiter[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img][img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]

 
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Old Dec 18, 2006 | 06:12 PM
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Originally posted by: DSNUT
Originally posted by: rcoop
Originally posted by: DSNUT
Originally posted by: Majorecho
I'd be more than just a bit leary to run Nitrous w/o a rev limiter, sooner or later it will catch up to ya, when we pulled Demons motor apart we could see where the valves had smacked his stock piston, a missed shift and an over rev and that's all it takes, a rev limiter is good insurance.

btw- hows that endcap coming?
This is the type of situation I worry about and have heard several horror stories of.

Sorry to pick on you Major, lol. I didn't realize you were the precedent on both sides of this discussion, lol.

It is all good because we are all learning! [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img][img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]
This is not a nitrous problem. You overrev any motor to vavle float you will have problems. I mean if he had a tm45 on should we blame it on that or the LTE exhaust. NO. You rev a motor out of the range the springs can handle and you will know it NA, nitrous, or supercharged. Next we will have to put warnings on aftermarket cams and light pistons because it makes the engine rev faster if you miss a shift with no rev limiter blame it on the piston and cam grinder.

This is may be the best reason I have heard to not buy a Woods CDI.......for Nitrous or Motor applications. Always run a rev limiter[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img][img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]
I agree if your going to race engines with modified stock parts in them. Your using them far beyond there intended limits.
 
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Old Dec 18, 2006 | 08:47 PM
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Old Dec 18, 2006 | 10:10 PM
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Originally posted by: rcoop
Originally posted by: DSNUT
Given the human reaction time, if you are WOT and at the top of the rev range and the tranny pops out of gear, the chances of floating the valves is much greater on NOS than without. You will be at a higher rpm when you realize something is wrong and back off.

Sorry, bud. I'm not changing my mind here. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]
What is the rev time of a motor under a load at shiftpoint to overrev when its kicked out of gear ? Anything more then .400 i don't think any human can react that fast nitrous or not.

Sorry, rcoop. I missed your post on this one. I didn't mean to ignore it......

Do you think the N/A motor will hit the point of valve floatation with as great of force as it does on the button???[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img][img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img] Are you as likely to pop out of gear with the force applied to the dogs N/A as you are with a 30 shot???

A revlimiter is important to have, if you don't think it is even riskier running without one while pushing NOS, that is ok.
 
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