Wood CDI and NOSS
#41
Wood CDI and NOSS
Originally posted by: rcoop
So you are saying the Vortex is safe to run nitrous and bump on the rev limiter. Thanks for the info. I just emailed Richard at Vortex's home office so hopefully he responds and explains to us how it works and ill post his response here so we can all learn from it.
Originally posted by: DSNUT
Here is what I would do:
I would runa Vortex ignition with a custom curve designed for backing the appropriate amount of timing out for your compression and NOS shot. I would put a good shim-under kit in with heavy duty valve springs and on say a 7500 - 7800 rpm shift point DS which is a moderately built motor, set the rev limiter at 9000 - 9250 rpm still within the limits of your valve springs but high enough to keep you off the limiter in 99% of circumstances.
That will give you reasonable odds on the calculated risks. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]
My $0.02
Here is what I would do:
I would runa Vortex ignition with a custom curve designed for backing the appropriate amount of timing out for your compression and NOS shot. I would put a good shim-under kit in with heavy duty valve springs and on say a 7500 - 7800 rpm shift point DS which is a moderately built motor, set the rev limiter at 9000 - 9250 rpm still within the limits of your valve springs but high enough to keep you off the limiter in 99% of circumstances.
That will give you reasonable odds on the calculated risks. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]
My $0.02
D@mn, you would think this is some epic battle of Olympus........[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-confused.gif[/img]
#42
Wood CDI and NOSS
If your rev limit is implemented by an aftermarket ignition, it's perfectly safe for the motor to run nitrous during the rev limit. It's not particularly easy though, on your transmission or clutch to have all that power during the shift, which may be a reason to keep the window switch set a bit before you shift.
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I don't think it is a good thing at all to frequently hit the rev limiter on or off NOS.
I'm not twisting your words. The information you are posting is confusing and contradicting itself. You said in another post you have never seen any damage from this happening why would you say its not a good thing then ?
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I don't think it is a good thing at all to frequently hit the rev limiter on or off NOS.
I'm not twisting your words. The information you are posting is confusing and contradicting itself. You said in another post you have never seen any damage from this happening why would you say its not a good thing then ?
#43
Wood CDI and NOSS
Sorry bud. There is a difference between something being safe and something being good. Hitting the rev limiter does nothing to enhance performance. If you hit it all the time, you either need to change your riding style or your rev limit is set too low for optimal performance. That doesn't make it dangerous to hit the rev limiter.......it just isn't a good or productive thing.
You are really going after this aren't you. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img] You didn't like the comclusion the Nitrous experts came to so now you want a second opinion from a company that makes the rev limiters???[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-confused.gif[/img]
lol
RCOOP - If you are really looking for someone to specifically give you the answer you want..........I would e-mail RWR. That is the company that offers the box without the rev-limiter. Most likely they have already come up with all the justifications for not using one while developing their promotion of the product. Might save you some time in making your point even if it does nothing to get closer to the truth.
Just a thought[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img][img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]
You are really going after this aren't you. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img] You didn't like the comclusion the Nitrous experts came to so now you want a second opinion from a company that makes the rev limiters???[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-confused.gif[/img]
lol
RCOOP - If you are really looking for someone to specifically give you the answer you want..........I would e-mail RWR. That is the company that offers the box without the rev-limiter. Most likely they have already come up with all the justifications for not using one while developing their promotion of the product. Might save you some time in making your point even if it does nothing to get closer to the truth.
Just a thought[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img][img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]
#44
Wood CDI and NOSS
I am stating that a Vortex cdi, a Big Gun Cdi, or a stock cdi is safe to hit the rev limiter with nitrous. Been there done that for years.
Its simple, when a piston comes up on the exhaust stroke, it empties the cylinder to the best of its abilities. It dont care if the charge is spent, on not, its gone and out the exhaust. The only chance for it to fire the unburned portion, is whats left in the cylinder (very little), or in the exhaust. Now it could fire in the exhaust, but doubtful since you are already at such a rpm, the exhaust pulses will probably pull it out.
There is no issue running a cdi with no limit on nitrous. None more than a bike with out nitrous. You stand to do the same thing either way.
Its simple, when a piston comes up on the exhaust stroke, it empties the cylinder to the best of its abilities. It dont care if the charge is spent, on not, its gone and out the exhaust. The only chance for it to fire the unburned portion, is whats left in the cylinder (very little), or in the exhaust. Now it could fire in the exhaust, but doubtful since you are already at such a rpm, the exhaust pulses will probably pull it out.
There is no issue running a cdi with no limit on nitrous. None more than a bike with out nitrous. You stand to do the same thing either way.
#45
Wood CDI and NOSS
Originally posted by: 650VIPER
Nate, diddo with everything said. I would not run a ron woods cdi with nitrous, at all, period! Two reasons. First, it has alot of advance. Thats ok if you want to run really good fuel, and be very watchful of everything going on. Second, no rev limit. That has already been stated. Like Major said, boom! Its just a matter of time. I have missed gears alot under nitrous. Not one engine part has been replaced because of it though, thanks to a rev limiter.
Nate, diddo with everything said. I would not run a ron woods cdi with nitrous, at all, period! Two reasons. First, it has alot of advance. Thats ok if you want to run really good fuel, and be very watchful of everything going on. Second, no rev limit. That has already been stated. Like Major said, boom! Its just a matter of time. I have missed gears alot under nitrous. Not one engine part has been replaced because of it though, thanks to a rev limiter.
#46
Wood CDI and NOSS
Originally posted by: DSNUT
Sorry bud. There is a difference between something being safe and something being good. Hitting the rev limiter does nothing to enhance performance. If you hit it all the time, you either need to change your riding style or your rev limit is set too low for optimal performance. That doesn't make it dangerous to hit the rev limiter.......it just isn't a good or productive thing.
You are really going after this aren't you. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img] You didn't like the comclusion the Nitrous experts came to so now you want a second opinion from a company that makes the rev limiters???[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-confused.gif[/img]
lol
RCOOP - If you are really looking for someone to specifically give you the answer you want..........I would e-mail RWR. That is the company that offers the box without the rev-limiter. Most likely they have already come up with all the justifications for not using one while developing their promotion of the product. Might save you some time in making your point even if it does nothing to get closer to the truth.
Just a thought[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img][img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]
Sorry bud. There is a difference between something being safe and something being good. Hitting the rev limiter does nothing to enhance performance. If you hit it all the time, you either need to change your riding style or your rev limit is set too low for optimal performance. That doesn't make it dangerous to hit the rev limiter.......it just isn't a good or productive thing.
You are really going after this aren't you. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img] You didn't like the comclusion the Nitrous experts came to so now you want a second opinion from a company that makes the rev limiters???[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-confused.gif[/img]
lol
RCOOP - If you are really looking for someone to specifically give you the answer you want..........I would e-mail RWR. That is the company that offers the box without the rev-limiter. Most likely they have already come up with all the justifications for not using one while developing their promotion of the product. Might save you some time in making your point even if it does nothing to get closer to the truth.
Just a thought[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img][img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]
#48
#49
Wood CDI and NOSS
Originally posted by: rcoop
I don't see where i was making a point only asking a question and bringing in outside info. I'm not sure where you bashing RWR and naming them helps any of this. We were talking about nitrous and hitting the rev limiter and there product does not have one. Does the Ds only fire on the compression stroke ?
Originally posted by: DSNUT
Sorry bud. There is a difference between something being safe and something being good. Hitting the rev limiter does nothing to enhance performance. If you hit it all the time, you either need to change your riding style or your rev limit is set too low for optimal performance. That doesn't make it dangerous to hit the rev limiter.......it just isn't a good or productive thing.
You are really going after this aren't you. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img] You didn't like the comclusion the Nitrous experts came to so now you want a second opinion from a company that makes the rev limiters???[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-confused.gif[/img]
lol
RCOOP - If you are really looking for someone to specifically give you the answer you want..........I would e-mail RWR. That is the company that offers the box without the rev-limiter. Most likely they have already come up with all the justifications for not using one while developing their promotion of the product. Might save you some time in making your point even if it does nothing to get closer to the truth.
Just a thought[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img][img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]
Sorry bud. There is a difference between something being safe and something being good. Hitting the rev limiter does nothing to enhance performance. If you hit it all the time, you either need to change your riding style or your rev limit is set too low for optimal performance. That doesn't make it dangerous to hit the rev limiter.......it just isn't a good or productive thing.
You are really going after this aren't you. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img] You didn't like the comclusion the Nitrous experts came to so now you want a second opinion from a company that makes the rev limiters???[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-confused.gif[/img]
lol
RCOOP - If you are really looking for someone to specifically give you the answer you want..........I would e-mail RWR. That is the company that offers the box without the rev-limiter. Most likely they have already come up with all the justifications for not using one while developing their promotion of the product. Might save you some time in making your point even if it does nothing to get closer to the truth.
Just a thought[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img][img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]
Now as for a Woods cdi, I have one engine out that has now ran a full year with a 20 shot and a Woods cdi. It still runs fine. There is nothing stating that if you run a Woods cdi, that you will blow your motor if you spray. I am just stating that there is more of a chance to float valves with no rev limit. Now the timing on the box is just an entirely different animal. In the previous disscussion, we were talking about recreation bikes, atleast I think we were, and my statements still hold true. Now if your after a full race bike, you want everything you can get, and if you can make it work with high comp, big shot of nos, and advanced timing, he!! ya git-r-done! But most of us want a fudge factor, and compression and timing is the easiest things to remove. IMO of course.
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