Millenium Aluminum Sleeve Update
Apr 6, 2006 | 06:26 PM
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DSNUT said
"Here is the really funny part. I never once called Millenium. I have never talked to anyone there. I have never spoken to Kurt. You did and you got the information that supported my suspicion."
Well, look at the 3 consecutive posts below and on same Thread. If this is how you represent your company, thanks for the heads up. People who hire hypsters need hyping.
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DSNUT
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Sun April 02, 2006 11:09 AM
ERBE,
Who was your contact at Millenium? I will try to call this week....
Ron
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yjacket2001
Sun April 02, 2006 11:21 AM
I am not ERBE, but Kurt is hands on expert.
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DSNUT
Thu April 06, 2006 12:41 AM
You guys might want to check with Millenium. I heard through the grapevine that ERBE's Aluminum sleeved cylinder was their first and last..........
Don't take my word for it, check it out before you get your heart set on one. I might be wrong, but I doubt it..................... [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]
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DSNUT also said
"Now that everybody knows how this scenario really looks, lets all wait and see if it works! [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img] "
Why wait? 700cc with truely customized piston lifetime guaranteed.
If you need initial big bore, TheBom or used Pami big bores since you know you can reline his big bores.
Maybe there is a specific design flaw that doesn't allow HPR big bores to be relined.
That alone would make TheBom the superior big bore purchase based on cost/benefit analysis: same peformance and less cost over time. That's what ERBE did and he's a casting expert.
Telling half truths in the hopes that people don't realize you are misrepresenting the overriding truths is much worse than out-right lieing: acting like you are truthful within a wall of 'secrets'.
Paid hypster/bashers bore me, and the companies they represent are always in Suspicion of hiding the truth under 'secrets' and half truths. Always.
"Here is the really funny part. I never once called Millenium. I have never talked to anyone there. I have never spoken to Kurt. You did and you got the information that supported my suspicion."
Well, look at the 3 consecutive posts below and on same Thread. If this is how you represent your company, thanks for the heads up. People who hire hypsters need hyping.
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DSNUT
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Monmouth, Oregon
Sun April 02, 2006 11:09 AM
ERBE,
Who was your contact at Millenium? I will try to call this week....
Ron
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yjacket2001
Sun April 02, 2006 11:21 AM
I am not ERBE, but Kurt is hands on expert.
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DSNUT
Thu April 06, 2006 12:41 AM
You guys might want to check with Millenium. I heard through the grapevine that ERBE's Aluminum sleeved cylinder was their first and last..........
Don't take my word for it, check it out before you get your heart set on one. I might be wrong, but I doubt it..................... [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]
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DSNUT also said
"Now that everybody knows how this scenario really looks, lets all wait and see if it works! [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img] "
Why wait? 700cc with truely customized piston lifetime guaranteed.
If you need initial big bore, TheBom or used Pami big bores since you know you can reline his big bores.
Maybe there is a specific design flaw that doesn't allow HPR big bores to be relined.
That alone would make TheBom the superior big bore purchase based on cost/benefit analysis: same peformance and less cost over time. That's what ERBE did and he's a casting expert.
Telling half truths in the hopes that people don't realize you are misrepresenting the overriding truths is much worse than out-right lieing: acting like you are truthful within a wall of 'secrets'.
Paid hypster/bashers bore me, and the companies they represent are always in Suspicion of hiding the truth under 'secrets' and half truths. Always.
Apr 6, 2006 | 06:56 PM
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Yjacket,
Tell me what secrets I am hiding?................if you can. I have had all kinds of people accuse me of being on HPR's payroll. A simple audit (if I cared what they thought) would conclusively prove otherwise. I actually have overpaid HPR because I want to make sure I do right by them since they so graciously spend time curing my ignorance, without any thought of getting paid for it.
Do you really want to know about my business? I build houses for a living. What do you want to know?
I bring out the missing piece of information (no guarentee on the 105mm 720) and for that I am a hypster? I will accept the charge of being an instigator[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img] but not a hypster.
Lastly, tell me exactly what you think I have said that is not true? You are not a customer of mine and I have the right to point out information that you are leaving out when you promote a 105mm aluminum sleeved cylinder from a company that offers lifetime guarenty..............the part that was left out was the fact that there is no lifetime guarenty on this product.
So who is telling the half truths here. Certainly not me. Klugs have been thinking about bumping up to a 730. They asked me if I knew of a cheaper alternative so I started this thread. Midway I heard that Millenium was not guarentying the 105mm so I chimed back into this thread to get to the bottom of it.
Hey Yjacket, remember how Gung Ho you were a couple months ago when you joined this forum about HPR and how Robust they were, lol. Hightower laughed his a$$ off at how you promoted HPR because they really floated your boat at that time. Was that you hyping them?
Keep the entertainment coming. It is good for ratings around here. I await your reply!
Tell me what secrets I am hiding?................if you can. I have had all kinds of people accuse me of being on HPR's payroll. A simple audit (if I cared what they thought) would conclusively prove otherwise. I actually have overpaid HPR because I want to make sure I do right by them since they so graciously spend time curing my ignorance, without any thought of getting paid for it.
Do you really want to know about my business? I build houses for a living. What do you want to know?
I bring out the missing piece of information (no guarentee on the 105mm 720) and for that I am a hypster? I will accept the charge of being an instigator[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img] but not a hypster.
Lastly, tell me exactly what you think I have said that is not true? You are not a customer of mine and I have the right to point out information that you are leaving out when you promote a 105mm aluminum sleeved cylinder from a company that offers lifetime guarenty..............the part that was left out was the fact that there is no lifetime guarenty on this product.
So who is telling the half truths here. Certainly not me. Klugs have been thinking about bumping up to a 730. They asked me if I knew of a cheaper alternative so I started this thread. Midway I heard that Millenium was not guarentying the 105mm so I chimed back into this thread to get to the bottom of it.
Hey Yjacket, remember how Gung Ho you were a couple months ago when you joined this forum about HPR and how Robust they were, lol. Hightower laughed his a$$ off at how you promoted HPR because they really floated your boat at that time. Was that you hyping them?
Keep the entertainment coming. It is good for ratings around here. I await your reply!
Apr 6, 2006 | 07:38 PM
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DSNUT Wrote:
The crying wolf that I saw was this aluminum sleeve option was presented on this forum as a done deal that was seemingly without risk. Don't you think that if Millennium makes a statement like "this 105mm cylinder will not carry the same lifetime warranty that our other cylinders carry" and they are only trying one or two before they will build any others, that information should be presented as well. Even Yjacket was looking seriously at them thinking that this 105mm cylinder had the same lifetime guarantee as everything else they do.
ERBES Answer: "They never told me that or wrote me that" " and no one else has sent a Cylinder to them yet, They also told me that they will still do the 720 bore and coating" If you want to know more about there guarantee DSNUT you call them then I'm not your secretary mmmmm k.
DSNUT Wrote:
ERBE, you say your warranty arrangements with Millennium are between you and them, i.e. none of anybody else's business. That tells me that they told you they would try it and it should work, but that if it fails you are on your own. That this is your money and you are gambling it. If you had a guarantee from them, you would have used that to refute what I have found hiding under the surface of this topic big bore for 1/4th the cost.
ERBES Answer: "I never said none of your business, And they never said that either? Your Assuming your thoughts on this subject not mine .
DSNUT Wrote:
I want to make sure I fully understand the situation and it seems to be riskier than was represented in previous threads by Millenniums own refusal to offer their lifetime guarantee on it. I wish big bores were a 1/4th the cost, but until we see the proof of this holding up, there is a reason they cost what they do.
ERBES Answer: You take a risk when you walk out of the door in the morning, look I understand you got bucks tied up in your toy and having a way to modify a motor at a lower cost after spending all that money would get me all wound up also. Millennium is not new to the Cylinder business, just new to the DS650 and like I wrote " I wont find out till I put the motor together" on how it performs.
DSNUT Wrote:
I think everyone has a clearer view that this is new and that the reason the price is so low relates to the level of risk still out there with the method.
ERBES Answers: "Again your assumptions DSNUT" I find it funny that your thoughts about your preferred Mfg on parts and labor are so right and everybody else is wrong, hey wait are you my Ex Wife ?? well some of us are still looking into different venues for our prodjects and the last time I checked we can still do that!
I dealt with Jehovah witness easier than you.
last Item on my Soap Box, I'm done with the Millennium cylinder subject until Scooby or my motor are up and going for testing.
The crying wolf that I saw was this aluminum sleeve option was presented on this forum as a done deal that was seemingly without risk. Don't you think that if Millennium makes a statement like "this 105mm cylinder will not carry the same lifetime warranty that our other cylinders carry" and they are only trying one or two before they will build any others, that information should be presented as well. Even Yjacket was looking seriously at them thinking that this 105mm cylinder had the same lifetime guarantee as everything else they do.
ERBES Answer: "They never told me that or wrote me that" " and no one else has sent a Cylinder to them yet, They also told me that they will still do the 720 bore and coating" If you want to know more about there guarantee DSNUT you call them then I'm not your secretary mmmmm k.
DSNUT Wrote:
ERBE, you say your warranty arrangements with Millennium are between you and them, i.e. none of anybody else's business. That tells me that they told you they would try it and it should work, but that if it fails you are on your own. That this is your money and you are gambling it. If you had a guarantee from them, you would have used that to refute what I have found hiding under the surface of this topic big bore for 1/4th the cost.
ERBES Answer: "I never said none of your business, And they never said that either? Your Assuming your thoughts on this subject not mine .
DSNUT Wrote:
I want to make sure I fully understand the situation and it seems to be riskier than was represented in previous threads by Millenniums own refusal to offer their lifetime guarantee on it. I wish big bores were a 1/4th the cost, but until we see the proof of this holding up, there is a reason they cost what they do.
ERBES Answer: You take a risk when you walk out of the door in the morning, look I understand you got bucks tied up in your toy and having a way to modify a motor at a lower cost after spending all that money would get me all wound up also. Millennium is not new to the Cylinder business, just new to the DS650 and like I wrote " I wont find out till I put the motor together" on how it performs.
DSNUT Wrote:
I think everyone has a clearer view that this is new and that the reason the price is so low relates to the level of risk still out there with the method.
ERBES Answers: "Again your assumptions DSNUT" I find it funny that your thoughts about your preferred Mfg on parts and labor are so right and everybody else is wrong, hey wait are you my Ex Wife ?? well some of us are still looking into different venues for our prodjects and the last time I checked we can still do that!
I dealt with Jehovah witness easier than you.
last Item on my Soap Box, I'm done with the Millennium cylinder subject until Scooby or my motor are up and going for testing.
Apr 6, 2006 | 07:55 PM
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"Tell me what secrets I am hiding?................if you can. I have had all kinds of people accuse me of being on HPR's payroll. A simple audit (if I cared what they thought) would conclusively prove otherwise. I actually have overpaid HPR because I want to make sure I do right by them since they so graciously spend time curing my ignorance, without any thought of getting paid for it."
What a joke. Tell Randall accounting audit for unpaid hypster employee tax next week: not by me but IRS!
Well you asked for Millennium contact, and Randall calls Millennium with a multitude of half truths directly after my and before your post. So either... one, both, or the other. You can't mind meld him from your sleep, unless....
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"Do you really want to know about my business? I build houses for a living. What do you want to know?"
How do you build houses and hype all day and night too? Just how exactly do you build houses?
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"Hey Yjacket, remember how Gung Ho you were a couple months ago when you joined this forum about HPR and how Robust they were, lol. Hightower laughed his a$$ off at how you promoted HPR because they really floated your boat at that time. Was that you hyping them?"
I was gathering information. I believe someone until proven distrustful, and I was putting everything that was said to me up so it could be shot down. Just no one was shooting, or cared to anyway: so I had to figure things out one 'secret' at a time. No one can build a bike with 'secret' parameter parts, and a majority of people don't want dedicated drag racers nor can afford rebuilding them. Smell the coffee.
What are people buying for ten thousands dollars?
A secret that they can't win a race unless HPR secretly tunes it on site: IF they are using your bike for free advertising AND not going against TheBom? lol, I just saved them $10K, not including frequent rebuilds ($$$,$$$.$$)!
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Flame off hypster. No more responses from me. Now everyone knows your secret.
What a joke. Tell Randall accounting audit for unpaid hypster employee tax next week: not by me but IRS!
Well you asked for Millennium contact, and Randall calls Millennium with a multitude of half truths directly after my and before your post. So either... one, both, or the other. You can't mind meld him from your sleep, unless....
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"Do you really want to know about my business? I build houses for a living. What do you want to know?"
How do you build houses and hype all day and night too? Just how exactly do you build houses?
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"Hey Yjacket, remember how Gung Ho you were a couple months ago when you joined this forum about HPR and how Robust they were, lol. Hightower laughed his a$$ off at how you promoted HPR because they really floated your boat at that time. Was that you hyping them?"
I was gathering information. I believe someone until proven distrustful, and I was putting everything that was said to me up so it could be shot down. Just no one was shooting, or cared to anyway: so I had to figure things out one 'secret' at a time. No one can build a bike with 'secret' parameter parts, and a majority of people don't want dedicated drag racers nor can afford rebuilding them. Smell the coffee.
What are people buying for ten thousands dollars?
A secret that they can't win a race unless HPR secretly tunes it on site: IF they are using your bike for free advertising AND not going against TheBom? lol, I just saved them $10K, not including frequent rebuilds ($$$,$$$.$$)!
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Flame off hypster. No more responses from me. Now everyone knows your secret.
Apr 6, 2006 | 08:04 PM
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what the hell is the problem here? this **** is getting so freeking old man.[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-frown.gif[/img]
But on the lighter side, I was the first one to mention warranty, but I never said lifetime. then when lifetime was mentioned by somebody it was a misunderstanding. it was never presented, or represented, or whatever you wanna call it.[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]
Pami 102mm bores have been running around for years.
and thebom's 105mm pami sleeve job is doing well.
the only reasons the sleeve jobs are so cheap is because its limited material and limited labor - in other words its cheap to do for a company with the tooling and equipment and knowledge! I have nothing but praise for Mellinium, whether it works or not, thanks for checking into it man!
where do some people even come up with the time to write some of these huge novels for the simple pleasure of bickering? sometimes its funny, but most of the time it just gets old man.
But on the lighter side, I was the first one to mention warranty, but I never said lifetime. then when lifetime was mentioned by somebody it was a misunderstanding. it was never presented, or represented, or whatever you wanna call it.[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]
Pami 102mm bores have been running around for years.
and thebom's 105mm pami sleeve job is doing well.
the only reasons the sleeve jobs are so cheap is because its limited material and limited labor - in other words its cheap to do for a company with the tooling and equipment and knowledge! I have nothing but praise for Mellinium, whether it works or not, thanks for checking into it man!
where do some people even come up with the time to write some of these huge novels for the simple pleasure of bickering? sometimes its funny, but most of the time it just gets old man.
Apr 6, 2006 | 08:15 PM
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all of you guys are dumb. Pardon the forwardness. What do you consider a guarantee? You honestly think when you run a motor lean millenium is going to fix it for free? Or if your bottom end comes apart they are going to fix it? No, all they would promise is defects in their work, which there wont be.
I dont understand the controversy in nikasil for you guys. join the rest of the racing world...
I dont understand the controversy in nikasil for you guys. join the rest of the racing world...
Apr 6, 2006 | 08:21 PM
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Originally posted by: DaBeechMan
all of you guys are dumb. Pardon the forwardness. What do you consider a guarantee? You honestly think when you run a motor lean millenium is going to fix it for free? Or if your bottom end comes apart they are going to fix it? No, all they would promise is defects in their work, which there wont be.
I dont understand the controversy in nikasil for you guys. join the rest of the racing world...
all of you guys are dumb. Pardon the forwardness. What do you consider a guarantee? You honestly think when you run a motor lean millenium is going to fix it for free? Or if your bottom end comes apart they are going to fix it? No, all they would promise is defects in their work, which there wont be.
I dont understand the controversy in nikasil for you guys. join the rest of the racing world...
Aaaaaaaaaaaaamennnnnnnnnnn!!
Apr 6, 2006 | 09:30 PM
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Well I think I have out-done myself with this one. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img] You guys are great. I especially enjoy your responses, Yjacket. Beech, thanks for your thoughts. As usual Viper has the ability to display wisdom with one word. Hightower, thanks for the words. I had time because I have been down with the flu so there is definitely some cold medicine involved in this, lol. And ERBE, as always, good luck with your build........[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]
Ron
PS: Yjacket, I build a small number of mid to high end homes per year which average out to be about 2 hrs per day of work time. Great subs and an evolving process is the key. I then do construction consulting for a couple of developers. I watch their wallets while commercial contractors do their work. I basically understand how contractors think and I have seen every method under the sun.....(almost) of ways that contractors take advantage of developers. I simply prepare them with strategy, then make sure they stay protected by watching their bank draws and financial statements. That gig takes about 4 hrs per day and has me married to a computer throughout the day. Just in case you were genuinely curious about what I do.............
Ron
PS: Yjacket, I build a small number of mid to high end homes per year which average out to be about 2 hrs per day of work time. Great subs and an evolving process is the key. I then do construction consulting for a couple of developers. I watch their wallets while commercial contractors do their work. I basically understand how contractors think and I have seen every method under the sun.....(almost) of ways that contractors take advantage of developers. I simply prepare them with strategy, then make sure they stay protected by watching their bank draws and financial statements. That gig takes about 4 hrs per day and has me married to a computer throughout the day. Just in case you were genuinely curious about what I do.............
Apr 6, 2006 | 09:54 PM
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Glad I was able to help! I thought long and hard, and while pondering came to the conclusion that Dabeech hit the nail right on the head. It was a hard task at hand, but I think I handled it well. Thanks again for the props!
Yours sincerely,
Jed
Yours sincerely,
Jed