Realistic gains with nitrous?
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05-09-2006 | 12:41 AM
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Glenn.I will give you a call about the nitrous,thanks.I better get a swingarm before i get too serious about the nitrous since it is hard already to keep the front end down when drag racing.I will be contacting you soon about a swingarm for sure.I am thinking that a + 4" should be enough for dragging while still allowing me to loft the front end when i want.Does a +4" sound about right?
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05-09-2006 | 12:49 AM
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Originally posted by: duneittilludie
Mark.Good point about the alternative uses for nitrous but i would bet that most are going to use it for drag racing which would be my main use for it.As far as overall power for duning i have that now with my HPR stock bore.Chuck put together a strong runner that will only get better with tweaking.I am very uneducated in the use of nitrous and i have a couple of questions.In a 300 foot race would i be able to utilize nitrous right off the line or is it generally used after initial take off?Would i have to run higher octane when using nitrous or does it work fine with a octane that is proper for my compression such as in my case 93 pump premium with 11.5:1?How is the install on the Boss system for difficulty?
Mark.Good point about the alternative uses for nitrous but i would bet that most are going to use it for drag racing which would be my main use for it.As far as overall power for duning i have that now with my HPR stock bore.Chuck put together a strong runner that will only get better with tweaking.I am very uneducated in the use of nitrous and i have a couple of questions.In a 300 foot race would i be able to utilize nitrous right off the line or is it generally used after initial take off?Would i have to run higher octane when using nitrous or does it work fine with a octane that is proper for my compression such as in my case 93 pump premium with 11.5:1?How is the install on the Boss system for difficulty?
As Glenn knows, the install is pretty easy. You have a battery wire, system power wire, and Noss Switch. All the electrical connects right to the smart box. The Noss and fuel lines go into the smart box as well. The hardest thing is to figure out a way to mount your bottle. The easiest location is usually up front near the bumper with the bottle mounted horizontally. However, you'll need a siphon tube for that option. Otherwise the bottle must be mounted valve end down and slightly at a 45 degree angle to the rear. Again, if you have a siphon tube, the sky is the limit as far as mounting positions go. (hmmmm - that sounded kinda wierd huh). [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]
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05-09-2006 | 12:56 AM
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Originally posted by: OregonDunePatrol
Mike,
As Glenn knows, the install is pretty easy. You have a battery wire, system power wire, and Noss Switch. All the electrical connects right to the smart box. The Noss and fuel lines go into the smart box as well. The hardest thing is to figure out a way to mount your bottle. The easiest location is usually up front near the bumper with the bottle mounted horizontally. However, you'll need a siphon tube for that option. Otherwise the bottle must be mounted valve end down and slightly at a 45 degree angle to the rear. Again, if you have a siphon tube, the sky is the limit as far as mounting positions go. (hmmmm - that sounded kinda wierd huh). [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]
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Originally posted by: duneittilludie
Mark.Good point about the alternative uses for nitrous but i would bet that most are going to use it for drag racing which would be my main use for it.As far as overall power for duning i have that now with my HPR stock bore.Chuck put together a strong runner that will only get better with tweaking.I am very uneducated in the use of nitrous and i have a couple of questions.In a 300 foot race would i be able to utilize nitrous right off the line or is it generally used after initial take off?Would i have to run higher octane when using nitrous or does it work fine with a octane that is proper for my compression such as in my case 93 pump premium with 11.5:1?How is the install on the Boss system for difficulty?
Mark.Good point about the alternative uses for nitrous but i would bet that most are going to use it for drag racing which would be my main use for it.As far as overall power for duning i have that now with my HPR stock bore.Chuck put together a strong runner that will only get better with tweaking.I am very uneducated in the use of nitrous and i have a couple of questions.In a 300 foot race would i be able to utilize nitrous right off the line or is it generally used after initial take off?Would i have to run higher octane when using nitrous or does it work fine with a octane that is proper for my compression such as in my case 93 pump premium with 11.5:1?How is the install on the Boss system for difficulty?
As Glenn knows, the install is pretty easy. You have a battery wire, system power wire, and Noss Switch. All the electrical connects right to the smart box. The Noss and fuel lines go into the smart box as well. The hardest thing is to figure out a way to mount your bottle. The easiest location is usually up front near the bumper with the bottle mounted horizontally. However, you'll need a siphon tube for that option. Otherwise the bottle must be mounted valve end down and slightly at a 45 degree angle to the rear. Again, if you have a siphon tube, the sky is the limit as far as mounting positions go. (hmmmm - that sounded kinda wierd huh). [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]
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05-09-2006 | 01:09 AM
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Originally posted by: DSNUT
That is the main reason i haven't bought a nitrous system yet. The idea of mounting the nitrous bottle rubs me the wrong way[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]
Originally posted by: OregonDunePatrol
Mike,
As Glenn knows, the install is pretty easy. You have a battery wire, system power wire, and Noss Switch. All the electrical connects right to the smart box. The Noss and fuel lines go into the smart box as well. The hardest thing is to figure out a way to mount your bottle. The easiest location is usually up front near the bumper with the bottle mounted horizontally. However, you'll need a siphon tube for that option. Otherwise the bottle must be mounted valve end down and slightly at a 45 degree angle to the rear. Again, if you have a siphon tube, the sky is the limit as far as mounting positions go. (hmmmm - that sounded kinda wierd huh). [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]
Marky
Originally posted by: duneittilludie
Mark.Good point about the alternative uses for nitrous but i would bet that most are going to use it for drag racing which would be my main use for it.As far as overall power for duning i have that now with my HPR stock bore.Chuck put together a strong runner that will only get better with tweaking.I am very uneducated in the use of nitrous and i have a couple of questions.In a 300 foot race would i be able to utilize nitrous right off the line or is it generally used after initial take off?Would i have to run higher octane when using nitrous or does it work fine with a octane that is proper for my compression such as in my case 93 pump premium with 11.5:1?How is the install on the Boss system for difficulty?
Mark.Good point about the alternative uses for nitrous but i would bet that most are going to use it for drag racing which would be my main use for it.As far as overall power for duning i have that now with my HPR stock bore.Chuck put together a strong runner that will only get better with tweaking.I am very uneducated in the use of nitrous and i have a couple of questions.In a 300 foot race would i be able to utilize nitrous right off the line or is it generally used after initial take off?Would i have to run higher octane when using nitrous or does it work fine with a octane that is proper for my compression such as in my case 93 pump premium with 11.5:1?How is the install on the Boss system for difficulty?
As Glenn knows, the install is pretty easy. You have a battery wire, system power wire, and Noss Switch. All the electrical connects right to the smart box. The Noss and fuel lines go into the smart box as well. The hardest thing is to figure out a way to mount your bottle. The easiest location is usually up front near the bumper with the bottle mounted horizontally. However, you'll need a siphon tube for that option. Otherwise the bottle must be mounted valve end down and slightly at a 45 degree angle to the rear. Again, if you have a siphon tube, the sky is the limit as far as mounting positions go. (hmmmm - that sounded kinda wierd huh). [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]
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ROTFLMAO!!!! Ooohh bottle, your aluminum is so bright, I like how your valve is so big and black.......
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05-09-2006 | 01:32 AM
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Realistic gains with nitrous?
Originally posted by: 650VIPER
ROTFLMAO!!!! Ooohh bottle, your aluminum is so bright, I like how your valve is so big and black.......
Originally posted by: DSNUT
That is the main reason i haven't bought a nitrous system yet. The idea of mounting the nitrous bottle rubs me the wrong way[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]
Originally posted by: OregonDunePatrol
Mike,
As Glenn knows, the install is pretty easy. You have a battery wire, system power wire, and Noss Switch. All the electrical connects right to the smart box. The Noss and fuel lines go into the smart box as well. The hardest thing is to figure out a way to mount your bottle. The easiest location is usually up front near the bumper with the bottle mounted horizontally. However, you'll need a siphon tube for that option. Otherwise the bottle must be mounted valve end down and slightly at a 45 degree angle to the rear. Again, if you have a siphon tube, the sky is the limit as far as mounting positions go. (hmmmm - that sounded kinda wierd huh). [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]
Marky
Originally posted by: duneittilludie
Mark.Good point about the alternative uses for nitrous but i would bet that most are going to use it for drag racing which would be my main use for it.As far as overall power for duning i have that now with my HPR stock bore.Chuck put together a strong runner that will only get better with tweaking.I am very uneducated in the use of nitrous and i have a couple of questions.In a 300 foot race would i be able to utilize nitrous right off the line or is it generally used after initial take off?Would i have to run higher octane when using nitrous or does it work fine with a octane that is proper for my compression such as in my case 93 pump premium with 11.5:1?How is the install on the Boss system for difficulty?
Mark.Good point about the alternative uses for nitrous but i would bet that most are going to use it for drag racing which would be my main use for it.As far as overall power for duning i have that now with my HPR stock bore.Chuck put together a strong runner that will only get better with tweaking.I am very uneducated in the use of nitrous and i have a couple of questions.In a 300 foot race would i be able to utilize nitrous right off the line or is it generally used after initial take off?Would i have to run higher octane when using nitrous or does it work fine with a octane that is proper for my compression such as in my case 93 pump premium with 11.5:1?How is the install on the Boss system for difficulty?
As Glenn knows, the install is pretty easy. You have a battery wire, system power wire, and Noss Switch. All the electrical connects right to the smart box. The Noss and fuel lines go into the smart box as well. The hardest thing is to figure out a way to mount your bottle. The easiest location is usually up front near the bumper with the bottle mounted horizontally. However, you'll need a siphon tube for that option. Otherwise the bottle must be mounted valve end down and slightly at a 45 degree angle to the rear. Again, if you have a siphon tube, the sky is the limit as far as mounting positions go. (hmmmm - that sounded kinda wierd huh). [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]
Marky
ROTFLMAO!!!! Ooohh bottle, your aluminum is so bright, I like how your valve is so big and black.......
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05-09-2006 | 02:52 PM
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you guys crack me up! haha anyway I never used to even consider the thought of running juice but it seems the newer kits out are much more reliable than before. I am not trying to take away from any of the old stuff as maybe it just required more tuning which people did not do which resulted in a boom!
Anyway what is usually regarded as the safest method of delivery? (dry/wet?) I was pretty sure from the limited research I have done that dry is the way to go but now am not sure. What about controlling the shot - can you just change jets easily enough to determine the delivery? I wouldnt mind putting like 15hp on the 730 - that way its a reasonable boost but the bottle wont run out too quickly. Does anybody know about how long you get on the button in seconds with a typical DS sized tank (is it a 2.5 lb bottle most mount up front?) Also what are the limitations as far as how long you can hold the button safely? I just really have this fear of having the 730 motor blow...which would mean back to a stock machine and I cant even FATHOM that!
I will be taking the 730 down to HPR in the next week or so to get a new exhaust cam (trying to get a little more midrange instead of the all top end the hr5 has) and dyno and hopefully I will be @ or above 70hp with similar torque with the change of the cam- adding of the top gun and dynoing. - a nice 15 shot on top of that would be orgasmic! This is the first year I will be taking a reasonably quick quad to the big dunes and I have a good feeling all of my yfz riding buddies have are going to be looking at the back end of the pig!
Anyway what is usually regarded as the safest method of delivery? (dry/wet?) I was pretty sure from the limited research I have done that dry is the way to go but now am not sure. What about controlling the shot - can you just change jets easily enough to determine the delivery? I wouldnt mind putting like 15hp on the 730 - that way its a reasonable boost but the bottle wont run out too quickly. Does anybody know about how long you get on the button in seconds with a typical DS sized tank (is it a 2.5 lb bottle most mount up front?) Also what are the limitations as far as how long you can hold the button safely? I just really have this fear of having the 730 motor blow...which would mean back to a stock machine and I cant even FATHOM that!
I will be taking the 730 down to HPR in the next week or so to get a new exhaust cam (trying to get a little more midrange instead of the all top end the hr5 has) and dyno and hopefully I will be @ or above 70hp with similar torque with the change of the cam- adding of the top gun and dynoing. - a nice 15 shot on top of that would be orgasmic! This is the first year I will be taking a reasonably quick quad to the big dunes and I have a good feeling all of my yfz riding buddies have are going to be looking at the back end of the pig!
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05-09-2006 | 03:05 PM
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Originally posted by: R00ST
you guys crack me up! haha anyway I never used to even consider the thought of running juice but it seems the newer kits out are much more reliable than before. I am not trying to take away from any of the old stuff as maybe it just required more tuning which people did not do which resulted in a boom!
Anyway what is usually regarded as the safest method of delivery? (dry/wet?) I was pretty sure from the limited research I have done that dry is the way to go but now am not sure. What about controlling the shot - can you just change jets easily enough to determine the delivery? I wouldnt mind putting like 15hp on the 730 - that way its a reasonable boost but the bottle wont run out too quickly. Does anybody know about how long you get on the button in seconds with a typical DS sized tank (is it a 2.5 lb bottle most mount up front?) Also what are the limitations as far as how long you can hold the button safely? I just really have this fear of having the 730 motor blow...which would mean back to a stock machine and I cant even FATHOM that!
I will be taking the 730 down to HPR in the next week or so to get a new exhaust cam (trying to get a little more midrange instead of the all top end the hr5 has) and dyno and hopefully I will be @ or above 70hp with similar torque with the change of the cam- adding of the top gun and dynoing. - a nice 15 shot on top of that would be orgasmic! This is the first year I will be taking a reasonably quick quad to the big dunes and I have a good feeling all of my yfz riding buddies have are going to be looking at the back end of the pig!
you guys crack me up! haha anyway I never used to even consider the thought of running juice but it seems the newer kits out are much more reliable than before. I am not trying to take away from any of the old stuff as maybe it just required more tuning which people did not do which resulted in a boom!
Anyway what is usually regarded as the safest method of delivery? (dry/wet?) I was pretty sure from the limited research I have done that dry is the way to go but now am not sure. What about controlling the shot - can you just change jets easily enough to determine the delivery? I wouldnt mind putting like 15hp on the 730 - that way its a reasonable boost but the bottle wont run out too quickly. Does anybody know about how long you get on the button in seconds with a typical DS sized tank (is it a 2.5 lb bottle most mount up front?) Also what are the limitations as far as how long you can hold the button safely? I just really have this fear of having the 730 motor blow...which would mean back to a stock machine and I cant even FATHOM that!
I will be taking the 730 down to HPR in the next week or so to get a new exhaust cam (trying to get a little more midrange instead of the all top end the hr5 has) and dyno and hopefully I will be @ or above 70hp with similar torque with the change of the cam- adding of the top gun and dynoing. - a nice 15 shot on top of that would be orgasmic! This is the first year I will be taking a reasonably quick quad to the big dunes and I have a good feeling all of my yfz riding buddies have are going to be looking at the back end of the pig!
Wet systems typically are known for putting fuel and nitrous together in a "fogger". Completely dry systems put only nitrous in the head. So, what do you call a system that puts extra fuel and nitrous separately.... I call it a hybrid I guess. As far as controlling the shot - the new systems do that with regulation. So, once its installed and tuned, there will be no variances.
I would think a 15 shot on a monstor motor would be huge. All these motors take nitrous differently. So there are variances in the actual hp numbers as they relate to the hole size of the nitrous nozzle.