can-am800 vs sportsman800
#41
Do you own both? I'll take the word of someone who both owns and rides both over techno babble.
#42
Bryce GTXX
The Sportsman is older. It has never tossed me. It may be unfair to compare it to a newer Outie. Now, what is this 'technical' stuf that you are talking about? Anyone who has been there, done that on an ATV knows that steep technical downhill riding is the hardest. I am sorry, but the fact that Polaris only has two rear wheel engine braking takes it out of the equation for me and many others. I believe the Polaris should stay on the farm with the Honda's. To each his own, but if you were to have time on both machines, you would have to have a wierd agenda to pick a Polaris.
And by the way...all my equipment is well maintained and in top condition so let your imagination roam free......
The Sportsman is older. It has never tossed me. It may be unfair to compare it to a newer Outie. Now, what is this 'technical' stuf that you are talking about? Anyone who has been there, done that on an ATV knows that steep technical downhill riding is the hardest. I am sorry, but the fact that Polaris only has two rear wheel engine braking takes it out of the equation for me and many others. I believe the Polaris should stay on the farm with the Honda's. To each his own, but if you were to have time on both machines, you would have to have a wierd agenda to pick a Polaris.
And by the way...all my equipment is well maintained and in top condition so let your imagination roam free......
#43
Bryce GTX are you a flat lander or do you live in the west wear we have real hill we call them mountains out hear some times you will go down hill for five miles or more and have to stop or turn when you get down. It takes a real rider to do that on a Polaris because on a popo you have to hold the brake and give it gas at the same time. Their was a time when Polaris had a performance advantage and bring them down was almost worth it but when the VEE-TWIN came out they lost that.
#44
Originally posted by: upnort
Might also try looking at the Grizz.
I personally preferred the SP over the outty because:
1. I like the way the shifter is laid out better. I use mine to plow with and to pull trees for firewood. I can go from R-L without having to pass through other gears or snake it around the nubs. For this reason the weight is also a +.
2. I found the ride of the sportsman to be smoother not as bumpy. The bomb seems alot more bumpy. Again maybe the weight helps, more sprung weight.
3. I found the sp AWD got traction better. Last spring was pulling a log with my gf (now wife) outty. Had 2 rear tires in about 2-3" water over ice coming out of a swamp. RF was in snow, LF was on nice solid ground. Had the rears & RF spinning and the LF that was on solid ground did not turn or pull a bit. I had to grab the front bumper and nudge it to finally get it going. Up til that point I was considering an outty.
I am not saying the outy is a bad machine by any means but it was just not for me.
On the other hand I do think SP has some reliability/workmanship issues to work on. Although it is touted as a mudder the rad sure likes to get packed full & overheat pretty easy.
Might also try looking at the Grizz.
I personally preferred the SP over the outty because:
1. I like the way the shifter is laid out better. I use mine to plow with and to pull trees for firewood. I can go from R-L without having to pass through other gears or snake it around the nubs. For this reason the weight is also a +.
2. I found the ride of the sportsman to be smoother not as bumpy. The bomb seems alot more bumpy. Again maybe the weight helps, more sprung weight.
3. I found the sp AWD got traction better. Last spring was pulling a log with my gf (now wife) outty. Had 2 rear tires in about 2-3" water over ice coming out of a swamp. RF was in snow, LF was on nice solid ground. Had the rears & RF spinning and the LF that was on solid ground did not turn or pull a bit. I had to grab the front bumper and nudge it to finally get it going. Up til that point I was considering an outty.
I am not saying the outy is a bad machine by any means but it was just not for me.
On the other hand I do think SP has some reliability/workmanship issues to work on. Although it is touted as a mudder the rad sure likes to get packed full & overheat pretty easy.
#45
Originally posted by: BryceGTX
Its interesting to see the one bad point about Polaris 4WD system. Lets see what all the fuss is about.
1) The Polaris system allows both front tires to turn at a faster rate when the quad turns a corner. The BRP has at least one of the two front tires and often times both front tires slipping in the turn because the front is locked to the rear end. Remember.. no center diff. So every time a BRP turns a corner in 4WD it is slipping its tires.
2) When the BRP becomes stuck, its famous visco-lock becomes 3 wheel drive until it finally engages. Interesting concept. The Polaris system engages in 1/12 of a wheel revolution. Hmm.. more of that tire slipping stuff.
3) When any quad is on any surface, its tires are slipping. On low traction surface, we get more acceleration when our wheels slip slightly. Now when the BRP system slips in 4WD, all tires may (or 3) may slip including your front steering wheels. Kinda hard to steer when all tires are slipping. When the Polaris system slips, we get maximum torque transfer to the rear tires by allowing them to slip first. And the fronts will only slip (preserving our steering) till the rears have provided considerably more acceleration torque and the fronts have reached their normal limit of traction.
4) When driving down a very slippery muddy or snow/ice covered hill, the BRP goes into a 4 wheel skid because of 4 wheel braking. This is the scariest situation to be in in a 4wd vehicle. The Polaris will never go into a 4 wheel slid in this situation because the front tires will free wheel, so you can always steer yourself to safety.
The Polaris system is very unique and has a performance advantage in most any instance of comparison. The Scrambler makes use of this advantage to often destroy Utes and sports quads in the twisties. Its advantage comes from the fact that it can provide maximum transfer of power to the rear wheels around the corners by spinning them like a sports quad with the added benefit of providing additional torque to the front tires. And unlike the BRP Ute, it does not force its front STEERING tires to loose traction in the corner.
So yeh.. I agree with mrtwostroke.. the Polaris system beats the BRP system hands down..
Bryce
Its interesting to see the one bad point about Polaris 4WD system. Lets see what all the fuss is about.
1) The Polaris system allows both front tires to turn at a faster rate when the quad turns a corner. The BRP has at least one of the two front tires and often times both front tires slipping in the turn because the front is locked to the rear end. Remember.. no center diff. So every time a BRP turns a corner in 4WD it is slipping its tires.
2) When the BRP becomes stuck, its famous visco-lock becomes 3 wheel drive until it finally engages. Interesting concept. The Polaris system engages in 1/12 of a wheel revolution. Hmm.. more of that tire slipping stuff.
3) When any quad is on any surface, its tires are slipping. On low traction surface, we get more acceleration when our wheels slip slightly. Now when the BRP system slips in 4WD, all tires may (or 3) may slip including your front steering wheels. Kinda hard to steer when all tires are slipping. When the Polaris system slips, we get maximum torque transfer to the rear tires by allowing them to slip first. And the fronts will only slip (preserving our steering) till the rears have provided considerably more acceleration torque and the fronts have reached their normal limit of traction.
4) When driving down a very slippery muddy or snow/ice covered hill, the BRP goes into a 4 wheel skid because of 4 wheel braking. This is the scariest situation to be in in a 4wd vehicle. The Polaris will never go into a 4 wheel slid in this situation because the front tires will free wheel, so you can always steer yourself to safety.
The Polaris system is very unique and has a performance advantage in most any instance of comparison. The Scrambler makes use of this advantage to often destroy Utes and sports quads in the twisties. Its advantage comes from the fact that it can provide maximum transfer of power to the rear wheels around the corners by spinning them like a sports quad with the added benefit of providing additional torque to the front tires. And unlike the BRP Ute, it does not force its front STEERING tires to loose traction in the corner.
So yeh.. I agree with mrtwostroke.. the Polaris system beats the BRP system hands down..
Bryce
#46
2 cents worth from me and I dont argue. You have to ride all and decied what is best for you and your type of riding.
I have owned Honda, kawi, yamaha and now a Polaris.
Polaris by far has been the best, I ride the Piute In utah where I live and never had any problems with the machine or with the machine doing what I want it to do, for those of you that have riden in Utah, they are some of the best and toughest trails in the states.
Now as far as CanAm, never, seen several with cracked frames, know 2 people that the brake rotors came disconnected and fell of, yes fell of and they seem sqeurly to me when I have riden them. Also the visalok I dont care for as you have to stay on the throttle or the system will never lock in and stay in
As far as the speed factor I ride trails I have and can push the speedometer at 70 miles and hour and for something 50" wide and 6' long thats fast enough for these old bones
Also Can am should have skid plates on all of there ATVs from the factory not only to support the frame but also why pay that much for a ATV and then have to beef it up before you can ride the trails
And on the 8th day God created POLARIS
I have owned Honda, kawi, yamaha and now a Polaris.
Polaris by far has been the best, I ride the Piute In utah where I live and never had any problems with the machine or with the machine doing what I want it to do, for those of you that have riden in Utah, they are some of the best and toughest trails in the states.
Now as far as CanAm, never, seen several with cracked frames, know 2 people that the brake rotors came disconnected and fell of, yes fell of and they seem sqeurly to me when I have riden them. Also the visalok I dont care for as you have to stay on the throttle or the system will never lock in and stay in
As far as the speed factor I ride trails I have and can push the speedometer at 70 miles and hour and for something 50" wide and 6' long thats fast enough for these old bones
Also Can am should have skid plates on all of there ATVs from the factory not only to support the frame but also why pay that much for a ATV and then have to beef it up before you can ride the trails
And on the 8th day God created POLARIS
#47
Now as far as CanAm, never, seen several with cracked frames, know 2 people that the brake rotors came disconnected and fell of, yes fell of and they seem sqeurly to me when I have riden them. Also the visalok I dont care for as you have to stay on the throttle or the system will never lock in and stay in
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Here we go again. "I heard" "someone told me" "a friend has one" "blah, blah, blah" I call the BS card here as well, If I'm having trouble even understanding what the heck you are trying to write why should I believe it?
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Here we go again. "I heard" "someone told me" "a friend has one" "blah, blah, blah" I call the BS card here as well, If I'm having trouble even understanding what the heck you are trying to write why should I believe it?
#48
I will write sloooooooooooooower so you can understand.
Love my Polaris,
Never had a problem with my Honda Rancher would buy another in a minute
Did not like the Yamaha Bear tracker bought for wife from day one, traded it in and bought her a Honda Rancher
Have a lot of Friends with Cam Am and with the problems they have had they will be unloading them as soon as they can, NOT HEARSAY JUST FACTS
Utah Piute Trail system is one of the best in the 48 lower states
And on the 8th day after God had already created water land and narrow minded people he created POLARIS
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Love my Polaris,
Never had a problem with my Honda Rancher would buy another in a minute
Did not like the Yamaha Bear tracker bought for wife from day one, traded it in and bought her a Honda Rancher
Have a lot of Friends with Cam Am and with the problems they have had they will be unloading them as soon as they can, NOT HEARSAY JUST FACTS
Utah Piute Trail system is one of the best in the 48 lower states
And on the 8th day after God had already created water land and narrow minded people he created POLARIS
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#50
Being a Polaris owner, I can speak frome experience on the subject of the 4x4 aspect. The Polaris handles great in 4x4 with one exception. The lack of 4x4 while in reverse. This was a major dissapointment for me. Other than that, it works like a charm. I have road through two feet of snow with no trouble at all. I don't get stuck and have watched other machines not perform as well. That does not include the Can Am. I don't know how it does in the snow, but suspect it does just fine.
I like BRP. I wouldn't mind having one. I think if speed and power are a persons biggest concerns, then go BRP. You can't beat them there.
If that is only part of a persons purchasing decision, then you might look at other options. I use my quad for more than just play and I like the towing capacity of the Sportsman. I haven't looked in a while, but the last time I did, the 800 (yeah 760) could out pull any Quad out there. And that was important for me, and frankly was a deciding factor.
As far as other Quads, I am mighty curious about that new Grizzly with power steering. But really, Sportsman or Can-Am...they are both nice machines and I am sure you will enjoy both. That's a win win there IMHO.
I like BRP. I wouldn't mind having one. I think if speed and power are a persons biggest concerns, then go BRP. You can't beat them there.
If that is only part of a persons purchasing decision, then you might look at other options. I use my quad for more than just play and I like the towing capacity of the Sportsman. I haven't looked in a while, but the last time I did, the 800 (yeah 760) could out pull any Quad out there. And that was important for me, and frankly was a deciding factor.
As far as other Quads, I am mighty curious about that new Grizzly with power steering. But really, Sportsman or Can-Am...they are both nice machines and I am sure you will enjoy both. That's a win win there IMHO.


