can-am800 vs sportsman800
Oct 6, 2006 | 07:42 PM
#51
Pro Rider
Joined: Jun 2006
Posts: 307
Likes: 0
can-am800 vs sportsman800
Im seeing the same thing happening to Polaris in the ATV market as happened to them in the jet ski and snow machine market. BRP is taking away market share and their doing it buy building a better machine.
Oct 6, 2006 | 08:48 PM
#52
Pro Rider
Joined: Aug 2004
Posts: 1,164
Likes: 0
can-am800 vs sportsman800
Have a lot of Friends with Cam Am and with the problems they have had they will be unloading them as soon as they can, NOT HEARSAY JUST FACTS
>>>>>
It IS hearsay because you are not speaking from personal experience but from HEARSAY which can never be proven on this forum. I'm on my second Outlander and have had ZERO mechanical problems that weren't MY OWN fault....I follow a few Can Am/BRP forums and have NEVER read about rotors faLLing off or problems with frames cracking. You must be getting mixed up with A/C who absolutely had problems with cracking frames.
The SP seems to have MAJOR transmission problems and thats not hearsay, go look it up in the lastest QU4D magazine's article on common mechanical problems from each maker. According to QU4D magazine the mechanics they surveyed said the problems on some are so bad that Polaris should RECALL them.
>>>>>
It IS hearsay because you are not speaking from personal experience but from HEARSAY which can never be proven on this forum. I'm on my second Outlander and have had ZERO mechanical problems that weren't MY OWN fault....I follow a few Can Am/BRP forums and have NEVER read about rotors faLLing off or problems with frames cracking. You must be getting mixed up with A/C who absolutely had problems with cracking frames.
The SP seems to have MAJOR transmission problems and thats not hearsay, go look it up in the lastest QU4D magazine's article on common mechanical problems from each maker. According to QU4D magazine the mechanics they surveyed said the problems on some are so bad that Polaris should RECALL them.
Oct 6, 2006 | 09:36 PM
#53
Pro Rider
You can take all the "shootouts" and put them in one bucket and you won't have beans.
You can take all the "shootouts" and put them in one bucket and you won't have beans.
Joined: Feb 2004
Posts: 473
Likes: 0
can-am800 vs sportsman800
Lurch... Stick with the Polaris's and Honda. You seem to be that type of rider. Have fun and I will see you on the Paiute. I would really like to watch you go down the 01 into the Fremont Indian State Park on your Polaris.
Oct 6, 2006 | 09:51 PM
#54
Pro Rider
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 382
Likes: 0
From: Dawson Creek
can-am800 vs sportsman800
hey 800 twin efi polaris does have 4wd in reverse if you push that yellow button that says overide this also gets you full power in reverse. but both of those problems can be fixed easily with some quick wiring. just like you have to eliminate the ignition retard on a yami when in diff lock. and some others but i'm not sure
Oct 7, 2006 | 12:12 AM
#55
Pro Rider
Joined: Jan 2004
Posts: 1,149
Likes: 0
can-am800 vs sportsman800
Originally posted by: LURCH84065
Now as far as CanAm, never, seen several with cracked frames, know 2 people that the brake rotors came disconnected and fell of, yes fell of and they seem sqeurly to me when I have riden them. Also the visalok I dont care for as you have to stay on the throttle or the system will never lock in and stay in
As far as the speed factor I ride trails I have and can push the speedometer at 70 miles and hour and for something 50" wide and 6' long thats fast enough for these old bones
And on the 8th day God created POLARIS
Now as far as CanAm, never, seen several with cracked frames, know 2 people that the brake rotors came disconnected and fell of, yes fell of and they seem sqeurly to me when I have riden them. Also the visalok I dont care for as you have to stay on the throttle or the system will never lock in and stay in
As far as the speed factor I ride trails I have and can push the speedometer at 70 miles and hour and for something 50" wide and 6' long thats fast enough for these old bones
And on the 8th day God created POLARIS
The Paiute is a good trail yeah, I've ridden it a couple of times, but there are others just like it in Utah and other states. Don't get oversold by your Chamber of Commerce.
You've seen 'several outys with cracked frames' and know 'friends' who are wanting to dump their outys. How is it that in just your little friends group you know about all these defective and unwanted outys? Why aren't your dissatisfied 'friends' out on the Outy forums moaning and groaning? Cause they don't exist.
One more thing, the people that have all the problems with visco-lok 4wd all seem to ride Polaris quads. Haven't figgered that one out yet. Probably only happens when they're runnin' 70 on the paiute trail. LOL
You going to post back now, but not argue, right? [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]
Oct 7, 2006 | 12:17 AM
#56
Pro Rider
Joined: Aug 2004
Posts: 1,164
Likes: 0
can-am800 vs sportsman800
One more thing, the people that have all the problems with visco-lok 4wd all seem to ride Polaris quads. Haven't figgered that one out yet. Probably only happens when they're runnin' 70 on the paiute trail. LOL
>>>>>>>>>>
Are they trails or LONG stretches of dirt road? I could see hanging it open in a WIDE open desert "trail" where you have a few miles of visibility in all directions but only takes a freaking deer or something to jump in front to make for a pretty bad day.
>>>>>>>>>>
Are they trails or LONG stretches of dirt road? I could see hanging it open in a WIDE open desert "trail" where you have a few miles of visibility in all directions but only takes a freaking deer or something to jump in front to make for a pretty bad day.
Oct 7, 2006 | 12:23 AM
#57
Pro Rider
Joined: Aug 2004
Posts: 1,164
Likes: 0
can-am800 vs sportsman800
but also why pay that much for a ATV and then have to beef it up before you can ride the trails
>>>>>>>>
Cost me $40 bucks to protect the underneath.
Why pay THAT much for an ATV advertised as an "800" when it's only a 760?
For about the same price I'll take the extra 40cc's and slap on my own frame protection and call it even, cool?
>>>>>>>>
Cost me $40 bucks to protect the underneath.
Why pay THAT much for an ATV advertised as an "800" when it's only a 760?
For about the same price I'll take the extra 40cc's and slap on my own frame protection and call it even, cool?
Oct 7, 2006 | 12:59 AM
#58
Range Rover
Joined: Mar 2003
Posts: 192
Likes: 0
can-am800 vs sportsman800
I agree, BS Lurch . My dealer sold over 35 Outlanders and had almost no problems.
I've own 3 Outlanders and race GNCC's my Outty has never let me down yet.
Three riders in our group switched from Polaris to Can-AM mostly due to machanical problems. All agree for technical and aggressive riding the Can-Am's are superior.
That said Polaris is a nice riding atv just not for my riding type of riding.
I've own 3 Outlanders and race GNCC's my Outty has never let me down yet.
Three riders in our group switched from Polaris to Can-AM mostly due to machanical problems. All agree for technical and aggressive riding the Can-Am's are superior.
That said Polaris is a nice riding atv just not for my riding type of riding.
Oct 7, 2006 | 01:13 AM
#59
Pro Rider
Is always changing bikes.
Is always changing bikes.
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 444
Likes: 0
can-am800 vs sportsman800
cowtown sold 200 last year and has no major mechanical problems. they had one guy turn a 400 upside down in a pond and it locked up and they still got it covered under warranty. oh by the way, every thing you see on the can am infomercial we do with our own bikes. pulls, drags, scrambles, mud bogs, mow grass at 3 to 5mph witha pull behind. i think that the polaris people are scared of change....oh quick question for the 800 sportsman owners! how long was your factory warranty? did you buy an extended coverage? if so how long and how much did it cost? oh and i will put my 650 against an sportsman 800. if any takers cowtown has a sled for pullin and a 300 ft drag strip. just let me know!
Oct 7, 2006 | 09:10 AM
#60
Pro Rider
Joined: Oct 2004
Posts: 1,700
Likes: 0
can-am800 vs sportsman800
Originally posted by: BBR650
as for your 4 wheel skid theory, the brakes on an outty are 60-40 on the lever with a FOOT brake for the rear ONLY. any experienced rider knows when on a downhill decent you apply you rear brakes to keep from putting yourself in a situation of a forward flip. if you start to slide with your brakes on anyway theres a good chance your not gonna stop until the bottom anyhow. as for getting stuck the only places ive been stuck was when i was bottomed out in a set of ruts and the tires had nothing to grab, but to each his own.
Originally posted by: BryceGTX
Its interesting to see the one bad point about Polaris 4WD system. Lets see what all the fuss is about.
1) The Polaris system allows both front tires to turn at a faster rate when the quad turns a corner. The BRP has at least one of the two front tires and often times both front tires slipping in the turn because the front is locked to the rear end. Remember.. no center diff. So every time a BRP turns a corner in 4WD it is slipping its tires.
2) When the BRP becomes stuck, its famous visco-lock becomes 3 wheel drive until it finally engages. Interesting concept. The Polaris system engages in 1/12 of a wheel revolution. Hmm.. more of that tire slipping stuff.
3) When any quad is on any surface, its tires are slipping. On low traction surface, we get more acceleration when our wheels slip slightly. Now when the BRP system slips in 4WD, all tires may (or 3) may slip including your front steering wheels. Kinda hard to steer when all tires are slipping. When the Polaris system slips, we get maximum torque transfer to the rear tires by allowing them to slip first. And the fronts will only slip (preserving our steering) till the rears have provided considerably more acceleration torque and the fronts have reached their normal limit of traction.
4) When driving down a very slippery muddy or snow/ice covered hill, the BRP goes into a 4 wheel skid because of 4 wheel braking. This is the scariest situation to be in in a 4wd vehicle. The Polaris will never go into a 4 wheel slid in this situation because the front tires will free wheel, so you can always steer yourself to safety.
The Polaris system is very unique and has a performance advantage in most any instance of comparison. The Scrambler makes use of this advantage to often destroy Utes and sports quads in the twisties. Its advantage comes from the fact that it can provide maximum transfer of power to the rear wheels around the corners by spinning them like a sports quad with the added benefit of providing additional torque to the front tires. And unlike the BRP Ute, it does not force its front STEERING tires to loose traction in the corner.
So yeh.. I agree with mrtwostroke.. the Polaris system beats the BRP system hands down..
Bryce
Its interesting to see the one bad point about Polaris 4WD system. Lets see what all the fuss is about.
1) The Polaris system allows both front tires to turn at a faster rate when the quad turns a corner. The BRP has at least one of the two front tires and often times both front tires slipping in the turn because the front is locked to the rear end. Remember.. no center diff. So every time a BRP turns a corner in 4WD it is slipping its tires.
2) When the BRP becomes stuck, its famous visco-lock becomes 3 wheel drive until it finally engages. Interesting concept. The Polaris system engages in 1/12 of a wheel revolution. Hmm.. more of that tire slipping stuff.
3) When any quad is on any surface, its tires are slipping. On low traction surface, we get more acceleration when our wheels slip slightly. Now when the BRP system slips in 4WD, all tires may (or 3) may slip including your front steering wheels. Kinda hard to steer when all tires are slipping. When the Polaris system slips, we get maximum torque transfer to the rear tires by allowing them to slip first. And the fronts will only slip (preserving our steering) till the rears have provided considerably more acceleration torque and the fronts have reached their normal limit of traction.
4) When driving down a very slippery muddy or snow/ice covered hill, the BRP goes into a 4 wheel skid because of 4 wheel braking. This is the scariest situation to be in in a 4wd vehicle. The Polaris will never go into a 4 wheel slid in this situation because the front tires will free wheel, so you can always steer yourself to safety.
The Polaris system is very unique and has a performance advantage in most any instance of comparison. The Scrambler makes use of this advantage to often destroy Utes and sports quads in the twisties. Its advantage comes from the fact that it can provide maximum transfer of power to the rear wheels around the corners by spinning them like a sports quad with the added benefit of providing additional torque to the front tires. And unlike the BRP Ute, it does not force its front STEERING tires to loose traction in the corner.
So yeh.. I agree with mrtwostroke.. the Polaris system beats the BRP system hands down..
Bryce
