Majorechos 1000cc DS
Jan 22, 2007 | 08:18 PM
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so some damn kid was bidding and daddy caught him with 20 minutes to go and called Curtis and asked if Curtis would cancell all the bids his kid had entered? the bids were cancelled with 15 munutes left on the clock as we all saw. thats just wrong. it has been my experience that when the end of the auction nears all interested parties are sitting right by their computers and watching right till the end even if the bike has already gone past the amount they are willing to hand out. there have been only 2 or 3 people per auction willing to hand out the big dollars for any one of my bikes and they generally fight it out in the last few minutes after all othere bidders have long since dropped out. it is possible though that all other bidders had topped out at $9700 and this was where the bidding would have stopped naturally. the only 2 bidders left after the 9700 mark had been reached were the kid that was bidding for fun and the actual heavy hitter bidder who really wanted the bike and his max was only exposed because some a hole let his kid have access to his ebay password and the child was trying to buy the bike with monopoly money. it was a nice bike and everyone knows how well it ran and how reliable it was but the fact remains that after the kids bids were retracted there was still around 15 minutes left to the auction and everyone in the country had a chance to grab the bike. how many of you who were watching the auction close signed off or quit watching when the bike went higher than you wanted to pay? you kept watching out of curiosity because you have been looking at it all week and wanted to see how high it went. my point is , it was a high profile item, everyone was watching, anyone can say,"I would have payed more for it than that" but no one did even though they were watching with 15 miutes left to bid. I feel that perhaps because it was listed in the middle of winter and perhaps because the bike was located in a remote part of the country that it may have just reached its natural price limit. this bike was a sand toy and most of this countries sand riding is done in california where the sky is the limit it seems on what people are willing to spend on their toys. I feel if it had been located in central california and had been listed in spring when it was riding weather outside it would have brought more money . I also feel curtis did what he wanted to do . he built this bike , rode it for several years an had a blast with it and sold it for more than he had in it an made enough to completely finance his next project. thats all any of us can really hope to do in this sport. build a machine , have fun with it and not loose a dime on it and most people who build bikes like this end up loosing money. congrats curtis , your first conversion was a beautiful reliable bike that was the envy of all . you are an honest man and deserve the best . Im sure your next machine will make you forget all about this last one and will bring you even more pleasure. Gregg
so some damn kid was bidding and daddy caught him with 20 minutes to go and called Curtis and asked if Curtis would cancell all the bids his kid had entered? the bids were cancelled with 15 munutes left on the clock as we all saw. thats just wrong. it has been my experience that when the end of the auction nears all interested parties are sitting right by their computers and watching right till the end even if the bike has already gone past the amount they are willing to hand out. there have been only 2 or 3 people per auction willing to hand out the big dollars for any one of my bikes and they generally fight it out in the last few minutes after all othere bidders have long since dropped out. it is possible though that all other bidders had topped out at $9700 and this was where the bidding would have stopped naturally. the only 2 bidders left after the 9700 mark had been reached were the kid that was bidding for fun and the actual heavy hitter bidder who really wanted the bike and his max was only exposed because some a hole let his kid have access to his ebay password and the child was trying to buy the bike with monopoly money. it was a nice bike and everyone knows how well it ran and how reliable it was but the fact remains that after the kids bids were retracted there was still around 15 minutes left to the auction and everyone in the country had a chance to grab the bike. how many of you who were watching the auction close signed off or quit watching when the bike went higher than you wanted to pay? you kept watching out of curiosity because you have been looking at it all week and wanted to see how high it went. my point is , it was a high profile item, everyone was watching, anyone can say,"I would have payed more for it than that" but no one did even though they were watching with 15 miutes left to bid. I feel that perhaps because it was listed in the middle of winter and perhaps because the bike was located in a remote part of the country that it may have just reached its natural price limit. this bike was a sand toy and most of this countries sand riding is done in california where the sky is the limit it seems on what people are willing to spend on their toys. I feel if it had been located in central california and had been listed in spring when it was riding weather outside it would have brought more money . I also feel curtis did what he wanted to do . he built this bike , rode it for several years an had a blast with it and sold it for more than he had in it an made enough to completely finance his next project. thats all any of us can really hope to do in this sport. build a machine , have fun with it and not loose a dime on it and most people who build bikes like this end up loosing money. congrats curtis , your first conversion was a beautiful reliable bike that was the envy of all . you are an honest man and deserve the best . Im sure your next machine will make you forget all about this last one and will bring you even more pleasure. Gregg
Curtis, like your usual sell, you look for the good, kudos!
Jan 22, 2007 | 10:22 PM
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Curtis , You truely are a class act. I would have NEVER let the guy off the hook!!I have built 2 of these things and working on a 3rd to sell , to help pay for the first 2. So we were very interested in your sale. After knowing all the work and thought nessessary to pull these things off..!! For you to let the guy off the hook??? I couldn't do it! KUDOS!! Curtis!! Kurt And I watched the last 30 min or so, watching tv and the computer, still talking about it today. I understand the thought of a NO reserve auction, but I don't think that's for us when we sell!! I just don't have the BOLAS!! lol
Good to hear your looking twards the future. Remember you could be in our shoes. I had to build 2 to get one right!! lol..lol.. You got the first one VERY RIGHT!!
Keep us posted on your next build
Bud
p.s. Did ya pick up that Busa??
Good to hear your looking twards the future. Remember you could be in our shoes. I had to build 2 to get one right!! lol..lol.. You got the first one VERY RIGHT!!
Keep us posted on your next build
Bud
p.s. Did ya pick up that Busa??
Jan 22, 2007 | 11:29 PM
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"quote" Me and the wife talked while it was there was a couple hours to go. If it was under 11 we would bid. It was at 11 and that was our limit. Then I seen with 4 minutes to go it was back down to 9700, and honestly didnt know what to think, so we watched it unfold, and nothing happened! I think I am not the only one that did this.......some poor kid cost Curtis alot of money! "quote"
so with plenty of time left to bid you saw that the price was back down to $1300 under your price limit and chose not to bid even after the decision you and the wife made?? thats just not comprehendable to me. if it was something I wanted my first thought would have been to jump on it and ask questions later not sit with my mouth open and watch it go bye bye . also , If that were the case I NEVER would have mentioned it here where Curtis could read it....
so with plenty of time left to bid you saw that the price was back down to $1300 under your price limit and chose not to bid even after the decision you and the wife made?? thats just not comprehendable to me. if it was something I wanted my first thought would have been to jump on it and ask questions later not sit with my mouth open and watch it go bye bye . also , If that were the case I NEVER would have mentioned it here where Curtis could read it....
Jan 23, 2007 | 10:43 AM
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Originally posted by: supersonictoys
"quote" Me and the wife talked while it was there was a couple hours to go. If it was under 11 we would bid. It was at 11 and that was our limit. Then I seen with 4 minutes to go it was back down to 9700, and honestly didnt know what to think, so we watched it unfold, and nothing happened! I think I am not the only one that did this.......some poor kid cost Curtis alot of money! "quote"
so with plenty of time left to bid you saw that the price was back down to $1300 under your price limit and chose not to bid even after the decision you and the wife made?? thats just not comprehendable to me. if it was something I wanted my first thought would have been to jump on it and ask questions later not sit with my mouth open and watch it go bye bye . also , If that were the case I NEVER would have mentioned it here where Curtis could read it....
"quote" Me and the wife talked while it was there was a couple hours to go. If it was under 11 we would bid. It was at 11 and that was our limit. Then I seen with 4 minutes to go it was back down to 9700, and honestly didnt know what to think, so we watched it unfold, and nothing happened! I think I am not the only one that did this.......some poor kid cost Curtis alot of money! "quote"
so with plenty of time left to bid you saw that the price was back down to $1300 under your price limit and chose not to bid even after the decision you and the wife made?? thats just not comprehendable to me. if it was something I wanted my first thought would have been to jump on it and ask questions later not sit with my mouth open and watch it go bye bye . also , If that were the case I NEVER would have mentioned it here where Curtis could read it....
For some of us, that is alot of money. Were not all blessed like you. So when we look at purchasing something of that nature, it takes alot of thought. When the decision is made that it has passed the limit, its a done deal. I surely might have been tedering on the edge, and four minutes didnt give me personally enough time to collect my thoughts and make sure of what I was about to do.
So thanks for your insight.
Jan 23, 2007 | 11:29 AM
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Personally, I think thats a pretty fair price for that machine. (9700) I recently sold my 750 on spray for 1200 less than that. I also had a couple of years of use out of it before selling, so It wasnt exactly brand new any longer. Everyone wanted a busa! I listed it on Ebay twice and had tons of offers to end the auction early, but nobody had the money. The money thing is huge. The market place for these things is fairly small when you think about the folks that can afford to buy it and has a place to ride it. We were going to start another business building these to sell, but ran into a few downfalls. The only way to really make it a full time business was to be able to offer financing to the customers. We spoke with lots of insurance companies, but no one would cover it reasonably, being what it was, for a loan.
Another factor is, we are not even 4 weeks past xmas here. Completely the wrong time to sell in my opinion. Also, half the country is freezing friggen cold right now, and not thinking about riding until spring.
One area you did have a ton of help in was this forum. I dont know how you guys did it, but when I was selling mine, everyone that posted a link to the auction, or even mentioned it, had their posts deleted within minutes of it hitting the forum. Im a little confused by that, but thats just the way it is.
Major, you did pretty dam good on the sell for your first build, you should be proud of that!! Im sure you have some things you werent happy with on this build you will correct on your next. Right!! They get faster, easier, and more precise the more you do. Im now on my 6th machine, and I will have 4 weeks from start to finish, working only a few hours a night. (less powdercoat).
Supersonictoys, ease up a bit would ya! If the guy didnt want to spend 11 grand, so what!!! We all know about schilling auctions, its not a exactly a secret. The price dropping 1300 with 5 minutes left to go does sound fishy. Im not saying Curtis schilled his auction, Im just saying when a buyer is sitting watching an expensive product he wants in the final minutes, and it takes a turn like that, I would back out myself, (and have in the past), because it appears to be schilled.
Im looking forward to seeing the next one Curtis. We are really hoping to make a huge trip out west this coming summer to hang out and shoot the bull with all the builders out there.
Gary
Another factor is, we are not even 4 weeks past xmas here. Completely the wrong time to sell in my opinion. Also, half the country is freezing friggen cold right now, and not thinking about riding until spring.
One area you did have a ton of help in was this forum. I dont know how you guys did it, but when I was selling mine, everyone that posted a link to the auction, or even mentioned it, had their posts deleted within minutes of it hitting the forum. Im a little confused by that, but thats just the way it is.
Major, you did pretty dam good on the sell for your first build, you should be proud of that!! Im sure you have some things you werent happy with on this build you will correct on your next. Right!! They get faster, easier, and more precise the more you do. Im now on my 6th machine, and I will have 4 weeks from start to finish, working only a few hours a night. (less powdercoat).
Supersonictoys, ease up a bit would ya! If the guy didnt want to spend 11 grand, so what!!! We all know about schilling auctions, its not a exactly a secret. The price dropping 1300 with 5 minutes left to go does sound fishy. Im not saying Curtis schilled his auction, Im just saying when a buyer is sitting watching an expensive product he wants in the final minutes, and it takes a turn like that, I would back out myself, (and have in the past), because it appears to be schilled.
Im looking forward to seeing the next one Curtis. We are really hoping to make a huge trip out west this coming summer to hang out and shoot the bull with all the builders out there.
Gary
Jan 23, 2007 | 02:34 PM
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Thanks for your insight masa'. I'll try betta I swea'.
For some of us, that is alot of money. Were not all blessed like you. So when we look at purchasing something of that nature, it takes alot of thought. When the decision is made that it has passed the limit, its a done deal. I surely might have been tedering on the edge, and four minutes didnt give me personally enough time to collect my thoughts and make sure of what I was about to do.
So thanks for your insight.
Originally posted by: supersonictoys
"quote" Me and the wife talked while it was there was a couple hours to go. If it was under 11 we would bid. It was at 11 and that was our limit. Then I seen with 4 minutes to go it was back down to 9700, and honestly didnt know what to think, so we watched it unfold, and nothing happened! I think I am not the only one that did this.......some poor kid cost Curtis alot of money! "quote"
so with plenty of time left to bid you saw that the price was back down to $1300 under your price limit and chose not to bid even after the decision you and the wife made?? thats just not comprehendable to me. if it was something I wanted my first thought would have been to jump on it and ask questions later not sit with my mouth open and watch it go bye bye . also , If that were the case I NEVER would have mentioned it here where Curtis could read it....
"quote" Me and the wife talked while it was there was a couple hours to go. If it was under 11 we would bid. It was at 11 and that was our limit. Then I seen with 4 minutes to go it was back down to 9700, and honestly didnt know what to think, so we watched it unfold, and nothing happened! I think I am not the only one that did this.......some poor kid cost Curtis alot of money! "quote"
so with plenty of time left to bid you saw that the price was back down to $1300 under your price limit and chose not to bid even after the decision you and the wife made?? thats just not comprehendable to me. if it was something I wanted my first thought would have been to jump on it and ask questions later not sit with my mouth open and watch it go bye bye . also , If that were the case I NEVER would have mentioned it here where Curtis could read it....
For some of us, that is alot of money. Were not all blessed like you. So when we look at purchasing something of that nature, it takes alot of thought. When the decision is made that it has passed the limit, its a done deal. I surely might have been tedering on the edge, and four minutes didnt give me personally enough time to collect my thoughts and make sure of what I was about to do.
So thanks for your insight.
what the heck was that? I wasnt saying you were a slave or anything and it wasnt my intention to **** you off jed but I dont think what Curtis wants to hear right now is that you think he was just "screwed" out of alot of money. If I wanted it I would have bought it. IMO its pretty obviously you couldnt have been "that sure" about buying it if you didnt when the opportunity arose in your favor . I cant imagine it anyother way in my mind , if it was again a bargain and something I wanted , why wouldnt I?. still you didnt need to bring " slave lingo" into this! LOL. dont get it but what ever floats your boat. DSdestroyer, Jed knows curtis and they actually live fairly close to each other I believe. Jed knows just as I do that Curtis WOULD NOT do anything dishonest like shill bidding. that DID NOT need to come up here either IMO. if you had met curtis you would know thats out of the question. Curtis went so far as to explain what had happened and why bidder 13's bids were cancelled in the bid history of the auction. it was a legitimate auction and with 15 minutes left to bid no one else stepped up to the plate. again, anyone can say ,"I would have bought it for more than that" yet no one did. wrong time of the year, remote location and I didnt say it before but since you brought it up, a busa probably would also have helped the price a bunch put of course it would have also cost more to build in the first place. it was a very nice bike but the kind of person buying that type of bike probably wants to go all out. for instance, what would you rather have a 660 rhino or a 450 rhino? he did good on the bike in my opinion and didnt loose a dime. it was a nice machine. Im sure he will have an even better one in a few months with lots of changes and upgrades. cant wait to see some pics and see what he does change. thats a large part of this sport for me, seeing how the other guy does it and learning from it. everyone does things their own way , even when it comes to buying toys I guess. no offense Jed. didnt mean to criticize you. was just thinking of Curtis's feelings. take it easy on me with that slave lingo thing, that really smarted! LOL[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]
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Jan 23, 2007 | 03:07 PM
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Just a reminder, I did not say Curtis shilled his auction!!! I simply gave a view of a buyer in that situation. I really dont see what harm it was pointing this out?? The discussion was why his auction ended at 9700 and not higher, the things I mentioned was my thoughts on it.
The busa vs. any other motor is a major factor in selling these things. When we hit the Silver lake sand dunes, and people come over to check out the builds we have, the first things out of their mouths is, thats the Busa, right?? Its really kind of funny when you think about it. People will stick 7 or 8 grand in building a quad with 70- 80 unreliable hp, and then wouldnt be satisfied with 120 - 150 totaly reliable hp. LOL When I built a DS motor, I spent 850 bucks on the carburation for that motor. I bought a newer gsxr750 with fuel system, harness, motor, dash, exhaust, everything for 810.00. Not much to think about there.
Anyway, lets not get side tracked here, when is the next one getting started, and what are you building Curtis?????
Gary
The busa vs. any other motor is a major factor in selling these things. When we hit the Silver lake sand dunes, and people come over to check out the builds we have, the first things out of their mouths is, thats the Busa, right?? Its really kind of funny when you think about it. People will stick 7 or 8 grand in building a quad with 70- 80 unreliable hp, and then wouldnt be satisfied with 120 - 150 totaly reliable hp. LOL When I built a DS motor, I spent 850 bucks on the carburation for that motor. I bought a newer gsxr750 with fuel system, harness, motor, dash, exhaust, everything for 810.00. Not much to think about there.
Anyway, lets not get side tracked here, when is the next one getting started, and what are you building Curtis?????
Gary
Jan 23, 2007 | 04:47 PM
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never said you did DStroyer but it did sound like you implied it when you wrote,"
We all know about schilling auctions, its not a exactly a secret. The price dropping 1300 with 5 minutes left to go does sound fishy. Im not saying Curtis schilled his auction, Im just saying when a buyer is sitting watching an expensive product he wants in the final minutes, and it takes a turn like that, I would back out myself, (and have in the past), because it appears to be schilled.
anyway dstroyer , its always nice to find someone else who shares similar interests and has lots of experience with the same sort of projects and it sounds like you know alot about streetbike conversions. so thats your DSbusa that you were speaking of and show pics of in your pics page next to that 750. thats a very nice looking nice bike. did you find it alot harder to fit the busa motor in a ds than fitting the little the 750? how many of "these things" have you sold? we should swap some pics of our builds and info . maybe we can learn from on anothers previous builds. Im Gregg by the way.[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]
We all know about schilling auctions, its not a exactly a secret. The price dropping 1300 with 5 minutes left to go does sound fishy. Im not saying Curtis schilled his auction, Im just saying when a buyer is sitting watching an expensive product he wants in the final minutes, and it takes a turn like that, I would back out myself, (and have in the past), because it appears to be schilled.
anyway dstroyer , its always nice to find someone else who shares similar interests and has lots of experience with the same sort of projects and it sounds like you know alot about streetbike conversions. so thats your DSbusa that you were speaking of and show pics of in your pics page next to that 750. thats a very nice looking nice bike. did you find it alot harder to fit the busa motor in a ds than fitting the little the 750? how many of "these things" have you sold? we should swap some pics of our builds and info . maybe we can learn from on anothers previous builds. Im Gregg by the way.[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]
