well after a lot of thought and help from you guys, i've decided that we will pick the honda up from the dealer, the boy thinks he is going to ask to borrow the honda, well the dealer is going to tell him he sold it( and he did to me) so i know there will be a long face then dale will say hey i do have something for you to look at, you might like it's out back. well his mother will have put a birthday card and ballon on it for him. i decided i didn't want to lose the joy of getting to leave the dealer with a ride. his sister has had that feeling twice but i have always brought his home. well i'll be glad to tell you guys about it on monday, if anyone has anything to help with the moment let me know, this will be his last quad for a while, it has a lot of room to grow into.