Chinese Electrical Issues
Jan 29, 2020 | 03:18 AM
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The first thing to check is power from battery to key switch. If there is not 12v to the switch, either the remote module or main fuse has gone. If the machine has a remote relay, this can cause problems. I have no idea how you would bypass it, but posts above from Lyn Edwards should point the way.
Jan 30, 2020 | 02:54 AM
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The fuse on the solenoid sends power to the key switch and voltage regulator, check that it is doing so. You can also get the thick wires to the solenoid the wrong way round, the B terminal goes to battery and M to starter motor.
Jan 30, 2020 | 06:10 AM
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One of the first things I checked was that fuse and it is good. Did not disconnect the wires so that is not a issue. As I stated: I have power in the starter circuit. That can be tested by shorting the terminals for a second. The starter runs, so no problems in that circuit. The problem is in the main power circuit. Somewhere.
I have a Chinese 200cc atv that want start. Except to the starter solenoid there is no system power anywhere. Solenoid shorted cranks the starter but no start. Just incase you are thinking... New key switch, new CDI, new coil. No lights anywhere. No plug spark. Drove to 7/11 at night with lights. Started again at 7/11, came home parked it.... Next day this. I have tried everything you guys have suggested here but nothing is working. The only thing I can think of is that black box "Thingy" that looks like a CDI but has 8 wires going into it. Batt has 12.7 volts. Drops to 11v while cranking. Its nearly new. I am stumped about the no power anywhere except the starter circuit. Have unplug and checked every connection I can find. Used ohm meter for checking the kill switch and the brake safety switch. Could it be the "Thingy" black box?
I have a Chinese 200cc atv that want start. Except to the starter solenoid there is no system power anywhere. Solenoid shorted cranks the starter but no start. Just incase you are thinking... New key switch, new CDI, new coil. No lights anywhere. No plug spark. Drove to 7/11 at night with lights. Started again at 7/11, came home parked it.... Next day this. I have tried everything you guys have suggested here but nothing is working. The only thing I can think of is that black box "Thingy" that looks like a CDI but has 8 wires going into it. Batt has 12.7 volts. Drops to 11v while cranking. Its nearly new. I am stumped about the no power anywhere except the starter circuit. Have unplug and checked every connection I can find. Used ohm meter for checking the kill switch and the brake safety switch. Could it be the "Thingy" black box?
Jan 31, 2020 | 04:21 AM
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That fuse on the solenoid has nothing to do with the starter circuit. It picks up positive from the wire coming from the battery, through the fuse then out to regulator and key switch. The logical thing to do is test for power coming from fuse, then from the same wire at the key switch, then from key switch to light switch etc. That way you isolate where the fault is.
Feb 7, 2020 | 08:58 PM
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If everything else works
I have a Chinese 200cc atv that want start. Except to the starter solenoid there is no system power anywhere. Solenoid shortrd cranks the starter but no start. Just incase you are thinking... New key switch, new CDI, new coil. No lights anywhere. No plug spark. Drove to 7/11 at night with lights. Started again at 7/11, came home parked it.... Next day this. I have tried everything you guys have suggested here but nothing is working. The only thing I can think of is that black box "Thingy" that looks like a CDI but has 8 wires going into it. Batt has 12.7 volts. Drops to 11v while cranking. Its nearly new. I am stumped about the no power anywhere except the starter circuit. Have unplug and checked every connection I can find. Used ohm meter for checking the kill switch and the brake safety switch. Could it be the "Thingy" black box?
Thanks for any ideas, you guys are smarter than me on the stuff.
David in Thailand.
Thanks for any ideas, you guys are smarter than me on the stuff.
David in Thailand.
Apr 27, 2020 | 06:04 PM
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Issue ever resolved???
One of the first things I checked was that fuse and it is good. Did not disconnect the wires so that is not a issue. As I stated: I have power in the starter circuit. That can be tested by shorting the terminals for a second. The starter runs, so no problems in that circuit. The problem is in the main power circuit. Somewhere.
I have a Chinese 200cc atv that want start. Except to the starter solenoid there is no system power anywhere. Solenoid shorted cranks the starter but no start. Just incase you are thinking... New key switch, new CDI, new coil. No lights anywhere. No plug spark. Drove to 7/11 at night with lights. Started again at 7/11, came home parked it.... Next day this. I have tried everything you guys have suggested here but nothing is working. The only thing I can think of is that black box "Thingy" that looks like a CDI but has 8 wires going into it. Batt has 12.7 volts. Drops to 11v while cranking. Its nearly new. I am stumped about the no power anywhere except the starter circuit. Have unplug and checked every connection I can find. Used ohm meter for checking the kill switch and the brake safety switch. Could it be the "Thingy" black box?
I have a Chinese 200cc atv that want start. Except to the starter solenoid there is no system power anywhere. Solenoid shorted cranks the starter but no start. Just incase you are thinking... New key switch, new CDI, new coil. No lights anywhere. No plug spark. Drove to 7/11 at night with lights. Started again at 7/11, came home parked it.... Next day this. I have tried everything you guys have suggested here but nothing is working. The only thing I can think of is that black box "Thingy" that looks like a CDI but has 8 wires going into it. Batt has 12.7 volts. Drops to 11v while cranking. Its nearly new. I am stumped about the no power anywhere except the starter circuit. Have unplug and checked every connection I can find. Used ohm meter for checking the kill switch and the brake safety switch. Could it be the "Thingy" black box?
Running into similar issue with our 2006 Yamoto 70cc ATV with the "Black box" (remote kill) under the seat near the battery.... Anybody have any suggestions on how to bypass the remote kill "Black box"?
May 12, 2020 | 08:09 AM
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Having similar problems 06 Kymco mxu 300
Trying to find any help or idea on what would cause slow engine cranking and now it just gets hot and smokes the negative cable on the starter going to the battery terminal it's smokes at the terminal and the hotline gets really hot when I try to jump the system what the set of jumper cables on a heavy duty battery it'll just melt the cable end on the starter post the start or crank over sometimes but slowly I got it from my friend for 300 they had a dead battery and it wouldn't start so they threw a car battery on the back rack took off in the battery fell off and it had problems since I'm curious if they starter can cause a dead short and ground out the system internally
Sep 27, 2023 | 11:25 AM
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I have a 2001 Polaris Trailblazer 250 2 cycle. I put in a new starter button and it hasn't been right since as the starter won't work. I feel like all the connectors are making contact at the switch. This is what I know:
- it will start when I pull manually
- the brake light works
- I get 10.68 volts to the small wire on the solenoid when I push the start button up.
- when I short the 2 posts on the solenoid, nothing happens
- the battery is new
- I checked the fuse and is good
It sounds like there is a safety circuit that has an issue. I don't have a wiring diagram. Any ideas? Thanks in advance
- it will start when I pull manually
- the brake light works
- I get 10.68 volts to the small wire on the solenoid when I push the start button up.
- when I short the 2 posts on the solenoid, nothing happens
- the battery is new
- I checked the fuse and is good
It sounds like there is a safety circuit that has an issue. I don't have a wiring diagram. Any ideas? Thanks in advance
Sep 28, 2023 | 02:33 AM
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"when I short the 2 posts on the solenoid, nothing happens"
That would indicate your starter is dead. Less than the full 12v on the thin wires to starter is not good either, so just possible the main leads from battery are not connecting properly, check they are clean and tight at battery, solenoid, and earths to engine and frame. Also a new battery may be flat, note in the instructions that came with it, that it should be charged for a while before use.
That would indicate your starter is dead. Less than the full 12v on the thin wires to starter is not good either, so just possible the main leads from battery are not connecting properly, check they are clean and tight at battery, solenoid, and earths to engine and frame. Also a new battery may be flat, note in the instructions that came with it, that it should be charged for a while before use.