heres an idea! how about just going down and meeting some people who own land along the river and asking permission? we could try being nice to them and maybe even cleaning up after ourselves. we could even treat their land with some respect and see if they'll let us in the next time we ask. its just an idea, but its always worked for me.

james, why is it that your ideas always seem to involve acquiring land and retricting access to others unless they are willing to pay?



-heywood-

 

i say that we kick james out of the club. we dont need him.

all in favor signify by saying "aye"



-heywood-

 

Heywood,
My suggestion to aquire the land and charge a fee was an attempt to restrict/remove the "trouble-makers" so that you and other responsible ATVers would not lose your privilage to access the river across the railroad property.

James "on the chopping block" Hale

 

James,

1. the RR's atitude is one of "dont rub it in our face and we'll act like we dont see you". if youre going to cross their property, you need to know and obey their rules. like dont wear red, and dont park red trucks along the tracks. red is their emergency/distress signal color and you can bring a train to a stop just by putting it in the wrong place. that screws with their schedules and pisses them off. stuff like that is good to know.

2. also, the RR's are never going to give up or forfeit their rights of way. even when we were running fiber optic routes along the tracks, we did all of our service and maintenance with their permission. the lowest RR crewman could put us out of our locations any time he wanted to, no questions asked. so they arent about to lease any property to anyone, and approaching them about it would probably force them to face the fact that we are there. see rule #1 above.

3. some of the "trouble-makers" that you refer to are my friends and neighbors. we live here, you dont. we have access to the river from several points because we have nutured relationships with the landowners through the years. we're allowed to hunt and fish and access the river because we treat them and their property with courtesy and respect. outsiders trying to restrict that access might just cause some hard feelings. i know i wouldnt take kindly to it.



-heywood-

 

Heywood,
Bob has pointed out in a previous post that my suggestion was probably not an option and that was that - end of story. I realized he was probably right (cause I know Bob's a pretty smart fella) and haven't mentioned it since.

If your friends and neighbors are "treating them (the landowners) and their property with courtesy and respect", I wouldn't say that they are trouble-makers.

James "why are you bustin' my chops" Hale

 

because we dont need outsiders suggesting how we should take care of our stuff.



-heywood-

 

So I guess the beating the **** out of the do-badders is a no go? [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-shocked.gif[/img]

Jason "So today has been like that for more than just me?" Brinker

 

Geez Dude - I just made a suggestion to some friends in an effort to help. If you don't agree with my suggestion, that's fine. But that's no reason to launch a personal attack on me - or anyone else for that matter.
I have no idea why you don't like me. I can't, for the life of me, remember ever doing anything that could be construed as unkindly to you. But hey - if that's the way you feel, so be it.

James "Heywood doesn't like me so I'm going out to the garden to eat worms" Hale

 

Hey guys , We all have opinions on ways to do things , lets not attack anyone with the mind to speak. We are here to ride and meet new people. If it comes the time for us to find a new way to access the river , we will all give suggestions.

On another note. Is anyone up for a Little Sahara ride Feburary 11th . This will be just a day ride. Anyone who is interested should e-mail me or give me a call .

By the way check out our new web page [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]



Brent

 

I agree with Brent, and JASON... (That's a switch) We all have opinions and should be able to post things without upsetting people.

Brent
Where is your web page???
Gordon