I'd like to hear what other members think about this proposed Kansas law getting some serious consideration right now? Lets keep it civil and remember, people share different opinions- so no personal attacks!

Under the new "proposed" law- They want to make it legal to shoot doctors that perform abortions.

they compare it to a bank robber that is shot by a patron before the robber can shoot the guard- a justifiable homicide

Their reasoning is, since a fetus (baby) is a human life, the doctor performing an abortion is "murdering" the baby and therefor, is considered no more then the armed bank robber...

Personally, while I agree that the fetus is a viable human life, and that abortions should not be performed, or rather, should only be performed under dire incidents where the mother may die if she gives birth-

But equating a doctor who has nothing to gain by performing a procedure at the request of the patient to a bank robber committing a devious act for self fulfillment is asinine!

Under the proposed law- any citizen may kill any doctor performing (or about to perform) an abortion and have the act considered a justifiable homicide.

What will this solve? Patients will simply go out of state- It will drive the practice underground- or kansas will become the first state to have no doctors or worse, substandard medical care.
What doctor, whether he agrees with abortion or not, would ever consider working in a state like that?

I don't understand why they just don't make abortions illegal- and prosecute any doctor caught performing one- even if the state sanctions it punishable by death- at least it's under the governments control rather then some wacked out trigger happy citizen shooting up a hospital where innocent people are. It's like the government wants to wash their hands of the dirty work.

 

Beergut, add a link to this information.
I can find nothing about it.

 

Here's one link I found on google- the news report I heard said kansas, but this appears to be in S.Dakota...

South Dakota Moves To Legalize Killing Abortion Providers | Mother Jones

 

On the flip side, I believe Kansas had a doctor who was performing 3rd term abortions up to the day before delivery. I think his name was George Tiller. He was assinated by someone claiming to be pro-life. I was very active in pro-life circles here in Massachusetts and one of the leaders of Operation Rescue in Boston. We sat peacefully in the doorways of the clinics that performed upwards of 20,000 abortions per year. I was asked one time about why I was involved. I can honestly say I was led to be there. Another rescuer said his reason was that, "If we consider abortion murder we should act like it's murder." If that was my reason I could have justified killing an abortionist. But, I've read my Bible enough to know that it is God's to avenge, and He will. I'm not his instrument for vengence. That is the governments job to mete out justice and our armed forces. In the book of Romans the Bible speaks of government authorities saying, "he is God's instrument of wrath. He does not wear the sword for nothing." Unfortunetly, the Supreme Court decided that our right to privacy and illegal search and seisure somehow equated to killing an unborn baby in the womb. And for this reason, the practice can continue. Interestingly enough, the woman who was the 'Roe' of Roe vs. Wade is now against abortion.

The biggest reason given in these days is that the child would be inconvenient. After 40 million some odd abortions something should be done. Or we can wait while God judges us and eventually sends wrath.

It's an interesting proposition. Using the defense of another human to preemptively kill the doctor that is about to kill an unborn baby (your heartbeat started around 21 days after conception by the way) is in keeping with laws we have to defend ourselves, our families, and our neighbors by killing or harming a would be assailant. It's actually much different than a person going in after the fact and killing the doctor for revenge. If a law is made that allows this to happen, and it is proven that the doctor was going to extinguish a life, I do believe it would not run afoul of God's law. Our rational for being Operation Rescue personnel was from this passage: Proverbs 24:11-12. 11 Rescue those being led away to death; hold back those staggering toward slaughter.
12 If you say, “But we knew nothing about this,” does not he who weighs the heart perceive it? Does not he who guards your life know it? Will he not repay everyone according to what they have done? There are many dozens that are now over 20 years old who might not have had a chance at life but for what some did then. It's easy for us to argue these points for one reason: Our mother's didn't abort us. There was only one genetically created you. You survived. If you had been conceived and your mother aborted you, you wouldn't be reading this. Just a perspective.

In our hearts we know what is going on but we turn a blind eye to it for convenience. I know all the arguments as to why they are "performed" and I have an answer for each one. One way or another, it will come to an end.

If you are a man who talked your girlfriend into one or a woman who has had one, it is not my intention to harm you in any way by what I've said here. God forgave the apostle Paul who actively persecuted and took part in the deaths of early Christians. He can and will forgive any that ask.

 

I have mixed feelings about it I guess- on one hand, I can't imagine the horror a woman must feel who has to give birth and raise a child as a result of being raped, and seeing (being reminded) of that rapist every time she looks at her child, and having the child become savvy of the incident that resulted in it's birth- but on the other hand, it doesn't negate the fact that it's a human baby, and the unborn baby didn't ask to be the product of a rape victim- why should it become subject of an abortion?

The only conceivable "tragic" justification I can think of to end the life of an unborn baby, is when complications of having the baby will kill the mother, who may have other children depending on her for sustenance...

I had a very close friend who had an abortion, caused by another very close friend of mine- She had the abortion for no other reason other then not wanting to be "tied down" This was over 10 years ago and she hasn't been the same since It destroyed her... I can't imagine that guilt- as the father of 2 awesome boys.

 

A couple that were in Operation Rescue with us had a baby that was about 5.5 months along. The mother developed a severe infection that wasn't responding to antibiotics. She was burning up. They had to put her in an ice bath and it was felt that the baby would not survive any more trauma. They tried to deliver the baby but it didn't live. In effect it was an abortion but it was not the intent. The intent was to save two lives. I've also known more than a few women who have had them and were never the same afterwards.

 

Whether killing a fetus is legal or not it should still be a crime to murder an adult. To me it's that simple with no gray areas.

 

ya i dont agree with abortion nor do i agree with exterminating every doctor that has to find work doing abortions because of the shitty economy. he doesnt want to kill anybody...hence the thick pile of paperwork the would-be, "soon to be" parents have to go through and sign. Either way we have no control they will do what they want. The governments been so corrupt for so long theres almost no chance of it getting better than to get rid of the government itself. Its almost like having to constantly remind them that if we have ww3 and if it is a nuclear war that human life wont exist. can i get a towel for my head? alalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalala

 

My grandfather used to say, "Follow the money." There are millions of dollars in the abortion industry. Locally, the city of Brookline, MA, population 40,000 or so averages 20,000 abortions a year. I don't know what they charge anymore but they sure don't do them for free.

 

People who want to shoot doctors belong in Iran where radical religious beliefs are mainstream.

In my mind, I can't in any way justify late term abortions, but I also don't like big government using the power of law to force women to have babies against their wills. Too often, the same people who oppose abortions also oppose sex education, the morning after pill, and even birth control...all of which would help reduce abortions.

I suspect that anyone who proposes shooting doctors is not being serious.