Side by side or ATV?
#31
09-11-2018, 12:47 PM
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Well, golly JimBob!
Well, golly JimBob!
When I looked on Polaris' website they're still showing the 2018 Sportsman 1000. It was 1 HP more than the 2018 Outlander 1000, but the 2019 Outlander now has 1 HP more than the Sportsman had last year. As far as I can tell the 2019 Sportsman 1000 will be the same HP as the 2018. The Can-Am 976 cc V-twin should be more powerful than the 24 cc smaller 952 Polaris twin. It should actually be putting out even more power than that. It's 2.5% bigger but only putting out 1% more power. Can-Am would have to get 2 more hp out of their new engine to match last year's Polaris engine's power/size ratio.
Believe it or not the Outlander 1000's estimated dry weight is 21 pounds heavier than the Sportsman 1000's. If that's right the Outlander has 2.6% more weight but only 1% more power, meaning the Sportsman has a better hp/weight ratio. But Polaris may be underestimating the weight intentionally and that could be BS. Either way, they both have ridiculous amounts of power. And the Outlander may be less likely to catch fire. Who knows?
Believe it or not the Outlander 1000's estimated dry weight is 21 pounds heavier than the Sportsman 1000's. If that's right the Outlander has 2.6% more weight but only 1% more power, meaning the Sportsman has a better hp/weight ratio. But Polaris may be underestimating the weight intentionally and that could be BS. Either way, they both have ridiculous amounts of power. And the Outlander may be less likely to catch fire. Who knows?
#32
09-11-2018, 10:13 PM
I love the shifter on my Sportsman. It's a straight line from high, through the other gears, all the way to park. When I plow it's easy to go straight from low to reverse, back and forth, back and forth. No pulling it sideways or anything to change gears. And it's never needed any kind of adjustment. If Can-Am makes one the same way that will give me another reason to look at them. But if Yamaha had all the things I like about Polaris I'd probably get one of those over Can-Am. Yamaha had better quality than Can-Am and still might.
#33
09-12-2018, 08:59 PM
I agree on the Sportsman shifting linkage. The Can Am is clumsy at best. Plowing snow: forward, reverse, forward, reverse is clumsy due to the shifter detents, and due to the Can Am gear design. Everyone mentions the "Can Am hump" as you sometimes have to wiggle the machine to get to engage a selected gear.
That said, there are strengths and weaknesses of all the machines. Pick your machine and live with it. I do enjoy my Can Am. No regrets.
David
That said, there are strengths and weaknesses of all the machines. Pick your machine and live with it. I do enjoy my Can Am. No regrets.
David
#35
09-13-2018, 01:01 PM
I love the shifter on my Sportsman. It's a straight line from high, through the other gears, all the way to park. When I plow it's easy to go straight from low to reverse, back and forth, back and forth. No pulling it sideways or anything to change gears. And it's never needed any kind of adjustment. If Can-Am makes one the same way that will give me another reason to look at them. But if Yamaha had all the things I like about Polaris I'd probably get one of those over Can-Am. Yamaha had better quality than Can-Am and still might.
#36
09-13-2018, 05:41 PM
Yamaha could sell boatloads of Grizzly big-bore twins if they made them. Honda may make a utility ATV someday with significantly more power than my 10 year old 500, but I wouldn't hold my breath waiting. It seems they either don't need, or don't want, the business. That's okay. More for everybody else.
#37
09-14-2018, 08:43 PM
This may have been mentioned before. If so, I apologize. We are discussing quads versus side by sides. Is there a machine in the middle? I think there is.
The Polaris Ace 900 makes a lot of sense to me. It is bigger than 50" wide and it doesn't have two seats, but most other features look attractive. It has a roll cage, it has a lower center of gravity, it has the Polaris drive train and suspension. If I was in the market, I would shop the Polaris Ace.
David
https://ace.polaris.com/en-us/ace-900-xc/
The Polaris Ace 900 makes a lot of sense to me. It is bigger than 50" wide and it doesn't have two seats, but most other features look attractive. It has a roll cage, it has a lower center of gravity, it has the Polaris drive train and suspension. If I was in the market, I would shop the Polaris Ace.
David
https://ace.polaris.com/en-us/ace-900-xc/
#38
09-14-2018, 09:29 PM
There's a single-seat RZR RS1 too, but it's 5" wider than the ACE 900 XC. 32 more HP too if you want a 1000 instead of a 900. The starting price is only $1,300 more so if you have a place you can drive it that could be another possibility. Neither of them would fit down the trails here, but an Ace 500 or Ace 570 EPS would. I think I'd rather ride than drive as long as I'm able to, but I'd rather drive an Ace than a 50" RZR if it comes down to it. If the trails were another 16" wider the RZR RS1 would fit. You could go maybe 15-20 mph in your 110 HP beast, just like I can on our 50" trails.
https://rzr.polaris.com/en-us/rzr-rs1/
https://rzr.polaris.com/en-us/rzr-rs1/
#39
09-14-2018, 09:51 PM
This may have been mentioned before. If so, I apologize. We are discussing quads versus side by sides. Is there a machine in the middle? I think there is.
The Polaris Ace 900 makes a lot of sense to me. It is bigger than 50" wide and it doesn't have two seats, but most other features look attractive. It has a roll cage, it has a lower center of gravity, it has the Polaris drive train and suspension. If I was in the market, I would shop the Polaris Ace.
David
https://ace.polaris.com/en-us/ace-900-xc/
The Polaris Ace 900 makes a lot of sense to me. It is bigger than 50" wide and it doesn't have two seats, but most other features look attractive. It has a roll cage, it has a lower center of gravity, it has the Polaris drive train and suspension. If I was in the market, I would shop the Polaris Ace.
David
https://ace.polaris.com/en-us/ace-900-xc/
I have two friends that bought Ace's and neither one of them kept them very long and went back to ATVs.
I believe that they were the 570s.
I asked Don and he just said, "I just really didn't like anything about it".
#40
09-14-2018, 09:55 PM
Nice machine! The Polaris and Can Am are the top 2 in this category I think. I am leaning towards the Can Am though. It's about 8% to 10% cheaper than the Polaris in Canada, probably due to transport and duties... I will be testing the 850 and 1000 Limited Edition next week. Either way, you can't go wrong with those 2. thanks!
He said buying another one was a no brainer.