To me it doesn't seem to matter who wins, the other guy is b!tchin about it and the winner is bragging. The way some of you guys carry on here you'd sware you had shares in the respective companies!! LOL.

I'd love either of these machines. I'm not quite sure yet which styling I like better, though I'm leaning towards the 450R. I really like the red more than the white and blue of the Yammi.

Even a novice like me understands that these two machines are so close that even with equal rider skill, one little slip gives the other rider an advantage that will not likely be given up.

Now go to your corners!!! LOL [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]

 

Not a problem Moto, I agree with what you say, cuz that argument goes both ways!!!! I was watching the SX race from Anaheim last night and noticed something! Both Suzuki and Honda had commercials where Yamaha did not!!! I seldom see Yamaha commercials anymore on ESPN! The Suzuki was actually a very good commercial! But I didnt care to much for Hondas! They showed the CR250R and the CRF450R winning the SX and outdoor MX series 1 and 2 like it was the bike that won! It was RC and KW that won!! They won on the Kawi's as well as Windham on the Zuki! But to back up my conclusion on the RIDER being involved, look at the 125 class! The Kawi 4 stroke has done very well but the Zuki 4 stroke has not, they pretty much are identical machines!! Yet one does extremely better than the other!! To you last statment, if comfort is at all a factor for you, the Yamaha may not be your best decision even though I love mine because I am very USED to the comfort of the seat etc. The seat and the set up is as close to the MX bike regarding ergo's as a quad can be, that suits me perfectly. I know for a fact from one of the locals that purchased a TRX450R that the powerband of the YFZ is more closely compared to the 2 stroke hit than is the TRX!! I have raced that guy on an MX track, I get him in the holeshot, and after that he pulls away(he is also the state champion in the quad class). Though he also has a CRF450R and I wax him on my 285, just differences in abilities on both!!!

My conclusion is this, ALOT of people simply want whats faster! That doesnt mean that its going to make the rider faster!!! If you put the same PROFESSIONAL on each bike, he will still be faster on one specific bike, not because the bike itself is faster, thats not always the case, but because his style, his comfort zone, his body movement etc all work well with one machine better than it does with the other, he feels much more at home on lets say the slower of the two, yet he can pull faster lap times on that machine versus the faster machine!! So for me or ANYONE to say which bike you would be faster on is simply and virtually impossible sense the machines are so closely matched and it all boils down to which better fits your style! For example, my YZF bikes fit me perfectly, they have a higher height fitting my 6'2 frame, the CRF, CR, sit way to low for me and feels like I am riding a low rider, the Kawi and Zuki both feel like I'm sitting on a straigh 2x4 peice of wood!! Not saying they arent great, but I rode other makes before Yamaha came out with the 4 strokes, and have friends with Honda and the Kawi 4 strokes, riding both I came up with the same conclusion, thus me having all Yamaha!

But the whole post on HONDA wins this or HONDA win that(Baja 1000, MX series etc.) is misleading to some people, but it does sell bikes for them and that is exactly why the do it!! I even know people who have bought the specific bike simply because it was winning! There are a few black guys that race MX that all have KAWI because of Bubba Stewarts success! Its not that I am racist, because I am in no way that way! Its because their hero of the Racing scene rides a Kawi! I dont really have a Hero, though I do pull for Reed and Bubba! If they rode a Honda or Zuki, I'd still pull for them!!