Well said deeznuts,
I've been reading all this crap for a long time. I think it's completely funny.
You hit the nail on the head when you said it's the rider that makes the bike.
I have a stock warrior except for an axle and tires. My buddy has a stock 400ex. Now I know the 400ex is much faster then my warrior. But I smoke my buddy on the track.
Again well said. I can't wait till I see a raptor on the track so I can come back here a say like the rest of the posters here. I smoked a Raptor with my warrior.

 

You missed the point then. My point is that there is more to being fast than just CCs.

 

I am not saying the Raptor sucks I am just saying for as much time they put in it, it should have been better. I think most of it is hype. If Honda comes out the rumored 650EX from their XR650 dirt bike it will whomp the Raptor. It has more HP, lighter engine and best of all less cc's, but yet its still faster.

 

well onthat note i was disappointed with honda and the time and effort they put into the 400. knowing what they can do ( 250r ). i think the only way to solve this is to start building our own bikes. raptor with a banshee motor. and you build your 650ex. Oh but wait can't put a 350 against a 650 the cc thing again, one will say you have more cc's than me and all that bs. you know I race 250 r's all the time with my banshee and I don't complain if they win and the don't win I win, they don't say well you have 100 cc's on me. maybe its because no matter if it was a 185 falling apart piece of sh i t against a brand spanking new 400ex its the riders racing not the bikes. last time I checked all my quads couldn't run with out me. My 2 cents...over and out end of communication.

 

UPDATE!! raptor sitting in my garage, bought it today! kept the 400 for my wife, selling all my mods (all less than a month old) from my 400ex
lrd chrome pipe and silencer $310 shipped w/ jets
works triple rate fronts with resoviors $400 shipped (less than 3 hours on them)
laeger chrome anti vibe steering stem $210 shipped + your old one...

 

Still having a blast in S,Cent.Pa.So much money in this unit no wander I can't buy a Craptor.Maybe if you guys take up a collection for me I would still switch? NOT!!!!!!!Well depending on the amount I could mod a Raptor and go after an R1? Nah...Maybe a Blaster yea I could mod out a raptor and beg a stock blaster to PLEASE line them up with me .PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!Still causing havoc hehehehehe heh!!

 

Ok thenh "genius" Why can my small 350cc Banshee spank a 440ex, I mean the 440 does have 90 more cc's than my machine. You logic is flawed. Do you understand the word moded? AS in I have modified my machine beyond stock. So a MODIFIED 440ex, with aftermarket parts, should not be compared to a STOCK Raptor or anything stock for that matter. MAybe its just me, but I would not go bragging how I beat a STOCK ds with my moded banshee, even though the DS is still 300cc's bigger. THink about it...

RoostKing...

 

Ok, now this is just crazy. Either your not thinking straight, or the Banshee owner just plain does not know how to ride. I have raced more than enough 400 and 440 ex's to tell you that in no uncertain terms that a piped (if it really was) will simply eat the Honda for lunch. And thats fact. Shoot, up our little sand hill in Walden, Im already coming back down the hill by the time a 440 ex is 3/4 up said hill. So lets not try to convince people a 400 or 440 ex will beat a piped banshee..
We are mostly Repubs, so we check facts....

RoostKing...

 

I can see what you think but i was orginally comparing a 4 stroke with another 4 stroke and you bring in a two stroke to the comparison. It isn't hard to find out why a 400ex would loose to a banshee the banshee is a 2 stroke. And i am obviously not the only one who feels that way about the 440 and the raptor read some other people's replies.

 

TO BIGBORE44OEXX!!!! I'm the guy you raced with the blue Raptor on Sun. As I stated that day I've had the quad for 2 weeks and have never driven a clutch before that. Therefore you beat me off the line… given me 200 more yards I would have eaten you ALIVE… and you know it. By the way my Raptor is stock... how much $$$$$$ and time have you and your buddy put into that EX of yours to make it almost comparable???

You know, You and your buddy seemed like stand up guys that day…. Happy riding.