maintance on 450r 2006
#11
01-09-2006 | 11:49 PM
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yeah sanman, i was hoping it wasnt going to turn into such a big deal. who would have thought people would have a cow over this, huh? sorry DEPALMA. i was just giving my experience with mine for the last 2yrs and general ownership/maintenance on atvs for like 20+ yrs. i think that gives me some credibility.
RR loves very frequent oil changes. i think its slightly excessive to change it every 3-4hrs and the manual calls for something different. neither advice is necessarily 'wrong.' Be sure and def go with 'at least' the manual though.
i just dont want people to think these machines are 'just too advanced' for someone to own and feel that every time they start it they have to change the oil. i emailed duncan, so I'll find out what they say, even though they didnt design it, but mod the engines for racing purposes...
just curious, how often do you change your oil in your 450R, sanman?
frequency is the key.
RR loves very frequent oil changes. i think its slightly excessive to change it every 3-4hrs and the manual calls for something different. neither advice is necessarily 'wrong.' Be sure and def go with 'at least' the manual though.
i just dont want people to think these machines are 'just too advanced' for someone to own and feel that every time they start it they have to change the oil. i emailed duncan, so I'll find out what they say, even though they didnt design it, but mod the engines for racing purposes...
just curious, how often do you change your oil in your 450R, sanman?
frequency is the key.
#12
01-10-2006 | 12:35 AM
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Change your oil every 3 hours . Wow that would mean I would have to change my oil every day during the weekend which in my opinion would be a complete waste of money . I change my oil every 2 month depending on how many mileage I do which is in the range of over 400 miles , been doing this for 2 years now and not one single problem with the quad and i'm also running automotive oil (Shell 10W40 ) and never had any issues with clutch slipping .
I've just check my vavles clearance and everything is within spec and the compression is excellent .
I've just check my vavles clearance and everything is within spec and the compression is excellent .
#13
01-10-2006 | 01:44 AM
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Here's an example, reprinted from MX Action (http://www.thumperfaq.com/oil.htm). By "every five rides", I take that to mean every 5 motos, not every 5, hundred mile cross-country rides.
"Q: HOW OFTEN SHOULD I CHANGE MY OIL?
A: Yamaha recommends changing the oil and oil filter every five rides. Honda's Eric Crippa advises changing the engine oil as frequently as possible and changing the oil filter every fifth time. One of the problems with a frequent service regimen is that it provokes people to use cheaper oil."
"Q: HOW OFTEN SHOULD I CHANGE MY OIL?
A: Yamaha recommends changing the oil and oil filter every five rides. Honda's Eric Crippa advises changing the engine oil as frequently as possible and changing the oil filter every fifth time. One of the problems with a frequent service regimen is that it provokes people to use cheaper oil."
#14
01-10-2006 | 11:32 AM
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I have a CRF450R dirtbike, not a TRX450R quad, just so you know.
Anyhow, I run 2-stroke gear box oil in the tranny of my CRF. According to local racers/mechanics that is what they say to do. But I think running a motorcycle 4-stroke oil in the tranny would be fine to. For the actual engine oil you could probably run anything as long as you keep your oil semi-fresh, but again I would use motorcycle specific oil.
How often to change it? Again, I have the dirtbike 450R and it requires a little more maintnance, and I believe it calls for 3-5 hour intervals for the engine oil, and a filter change every 3 changes or so. The tranny oil can go longer. I don't think some of you realize that a few hours of actual ride time is longer than you think. In a 8 hour day of riding, you are probably putting about half of that time actually on the machine. Personally, I change the engine oil in my 450 every two good rides at the track, I don't trail ride that bike but if I did I might even change it after one good riding trip. The gear oil I leave for quite a few rides, actually quite a while.
The quad 450 should be able to take more abuse, but the thing to remember is that these are high-perfomance engines, and with that comes maintnance. These aren't your old XR's or EX's, these are lighter, more powerful machines that can become junk real quick if neglected.
Anyhow, I run 2-stroke gear box oil in the tranny of my CRF. According to local racers/mechanics that is what they say to do. But I think running a motorcycle 4-stroke oil in the tranny would be fine to. For the actual engine oil you could probably run anything as long as you keep your oil semi-fresh, but again I would use motorcycle specific oil.
How often to change it? Again, I have the dirtbike 450R and it requires a little more maintnance, and I believe it calls for 3-5 hour intervals for the engine oil, and a filter change every 3 changes or so. The tranny oil can go longer. I don't think some of you realize that a few hours of actual ride time is longer than you think. In a 8 hour day of riding, you are probably putting about half of that time actually on the machine. Personally, I change the engine oil in my 450 every two good rides at the track, I don't trail ride that bike but if I did I might even change it after one good riding trip. The gear oil I leave for quite a few rides, actually quite a while.
The quad 450 should be able to take more abuse, but the thing to remember is that these are high-perfomance engines, and with that comes maintnance. These aren't your old XR's or EX's, these are lighter, more powerful machines that can become junk real quick if neglected.
#15
01-10-2006 | 02:26 PM
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Remember too, that your 06 quad engine is the 450X dirt bike engine. Bone stock, the quad makes 35.5 hp at 7,500 rpm. (That rpm would destroy a lot of engines!) At 7,500 rpm, that flat little almost skirtless piston is going up and down 250 TIMES PER SECOND! These engines scream! It's simple physics, that everything (including your oil) is going to wear out way quicker than in your old XR engine that just putted along.
And, who leaves their engine stock??? It's going to be even worse when you throw in an HRC cam, aftermarket exhaust, etc., etc.
I don't know? Maybe you folks are new to these engines? I have been following these new generation 250/450's since they came out, and seriously, all this stuff about oil changes, maintenence, and more frequent rebuilds, etc., is just common knowledge.
And, who leaves their engine stock??? It's going to be even worse when you throw in an HRC cam, aftermarket exhaust, etc., etc.
I don't know? Maybe you folks are new to these engines? I have been following these new generation 250/450's since they came out, and seriously, all this stuff about oil changes, maintenence, and more frequent rebuilds, etc., is just common knowledge.
#16
01-10-2006 | 07:25 PM
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There are slight differences in the CRFX engines as opposed to the CRF-R engines as well. THe CRFx engines, while potent, are less volitle than the R versions as they are Honda's answer to the WR series from yamaha. The frames and forks are even different. The 250/450x are not simply the CRF250/450R engines with an electric starter...There are a few differences. I read this from a Honda publication.
And yes, like Ive said 2x before on this thread, the 06 engine is more volitle than the 04/05 engine... (b/c it is directly related to the CRFx engine). AND it does NOT have an oil cooler like the 04/05 TRX does- which gives these years an advantage in having slightly higher oil change intervals as opposed to the CRF450R/X and newer TRX. ...RR and everyone else, you know that when oil gets hot, it breaks down faster which is why 10-12hrs as stated by Honda is fine for our bikes but would not be reccomended for the 06 engines. I want to know what Honda says about the 06 model...i bet they dropped the interval times.
Btw, on thumperfaq.com, it is a great resource, but go back to the oil change section. over and over in there it tells you 1st step- READ THE OWNERS' MANUAL.
I think we can finally conclude this thread with saying these engines do require more maintneance (though not impossible) than the older 4strokes. just do it more frequently. If 3-4 hrs is fine with you, hey knock yourself out. Or 10-12hrs as Honda said (04/05) would be fine. I can garrantee that if we took our engines apart side by side, neither one would be in any better or worse condition than the other one.
But make sure that you are 'at least' within the manufacturer's specifications on intervals and fluid requirements.
And yes, like Ive said 2x before on this thread, the 06 engine is more volitle than the 04/05 engine... (b/c it is directly related to the CRFx engine). AND it does NOT have an oil cooler like the 04/05 TRX does- which gives these years an advantage in having slightly higher oil change intervals as opposed to the CRF450R/X and newer TRX. ...RR and everyone else, you know that when oil gets hot, it breaks down faster which is why 10-12hrs as stated by Honda is fine for our bikes but would not be reccomended for the 06 engines. I want to know what Honda says about the 06 model...i bet they dropped the interval times.
Btw, on thumperfaq.com, it is a great resource, but go back to the oil change section. over and over in there it tells you 1st step- READ THE OWNERS' MANUAL.
I think we can finally conclude this thread with saying these engines do require more maintneance (though not impossible) than the older 4strokes. just do it more frequently. If 3-4 hrs is fine with you, hey knock yourself out. Or 10-12hrs as Honda said (04/05) would be fine. I can garrantee that if we took our engines apart side by side, neither one would be in any better or worse condition than the other one.
But make sure that you are 'at least' within the manufacturer's specifications on intervals and fluid requirements.
#17
01-10-2006 | 09:10 PM
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Okay lets just say this for all you married guys who have kids. Even though my 9 year old daughter 6 and 4 year old daughters all ride and have quads and I love to death and my wife but Going into the garage and having one hour of piece changing the oil cleaning our air filter or just polishing the DG polished front bumper is priceless. Thanks for all the help.
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2006 450r (Me
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#19
01-11-2006 | 03:27 PM
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yes, pretty much 1 quart for the engine side. however, they seem to take a little more. as the manual says, you have to pay attention to the oil window on side of the engine - it has markings. and you do not want to overfill it or any engine.
since it doesnt hold much oil and has seperate oils for the engine and transmission side, it reduces the amount of oil needed for each, but you have to change it more frequently than the older 4strokes as we have been stating many times on this thread.
since it doesnt hold much oil and has seperate oils for the engine and transmission side, it reduces the amount of oil needed for each, but you have to change it more frequently than the older 4strokes as we have been stating many times on this thread.
#20
01-11-2006 | 05:53 PM
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Now this is stupid but I drained the oil from the bolt underneath the 450 is there a seperate bolt for the trans oil to drain that. or does it come out the the drain plug underneath with the engine oil. I loosened a bolt on the side of the trans but it was a slow slow drip. I left my manuel in my car and wife took it to work. So couldn't check book