I don't know exactly were this post should have gone, but since I'm in the Honda forum more and read more stuff here I thought this would be a good place.

I for one don't understand his plan on eliminationg the internal combustion engine. Its a motor that has been obsolete since a couple years after its invention actually, learned that in a college history class. So if no one has been able to get rid of it in those hundred or so years, how does he expect to? when you have huge companies like Ford and Chevrolet probably putting up quite large sums of money to help support some government programs, how could you expect to rid them of their big money maker? Then there are the many other car manufacturers who sell vehicles in the U.S. that more than likely also put up millions of dollars for government use, gonna tell them they can't make a internal combustion engine?

How about this, it's not like this is the only country to use an internal combustion engine is it? So what is Gore gonna do about Canada, England, Mexico, Japan, and all these other countries in the world? He isn't gonna go up against all of them too is he? He is a blow hard if you ask me.

 

Simple...Executive orders and taxes. Clinton, by executive order already closed many, many acres of government controled land to any sort of motorized traffic. He also gave the EPA dctatorial powers to enforce them. Did you know that during the forest fires this summer, they brought in heavy machinery to move dead trees and brush away to make a fire brake (an open area large enough the fire can't jump it so it just burns itself out). Seems the EPA wouldn't let them bulldoze anything until they filled out environmental impact statements. By then the fire went on by. You would think a bulldozer on 100 acres wouldn't be any worse than a fire on 100,000, but this is the EPA. The EPA also controls emissions on engines. All they have to do is make the restrictions so tight nothing could pass them. They already put the death touch on many 2 cycle engines. Some places won't even allow jet skis unless they are 4 stroke powered.
Now on to taxes. How many atvs will be sold if they put a $1000 tax on them? Or tax gas so it costs $5 a gallon? I know this sounds ridiculous, but these plans are all in Gore's book 'Earth in the Balance'. He also stated that he still believes in what the book says.

 

Good point, BlueHonda4x4!

How, indeed, would one eliminate the internal combustion engine? Repeal the Carnot cycle?

Gore is a master of hypocrisy. For example, I know someone who lives near the warehouse, shops, and storage areas where the US State Department, near Washington, DC, receives, modifies, and ships its automobiles and trucks to US embassies worldwide. Would you believe, the Clinton-Gore administration, the "Enviromentalist President" administration, ships NON-CATALYTIC CONVERTER AUTOMOBILES AND TRUCKS TO THIRD-WORLD LOCATIONS FOR USE WITH LEADED FUEL? The window stickers on the new vehicles on the parking lot clearly indicate these are non-catalytic converter vehicles (unless, after this post is published, the State Department goes out and removes them!).

Along these lines (hypocrisy), Gore flees from the propect of drilling for oil, even in an environmentally responsible way, in the Alaskan Wildlife Refuge. However, he says nothing about our corresponding dependency on foreign oil from Columbia, Nigeria, even Iraq and Arabia, etc., where producers can't even SPELL the word, "environment." We cannot purify the "Earth," (as in, "Earth In The Balance") from the single point of the United States.

I hope an honest count of Florida ballots removes the prospect of power in the hands of the maniacally-ambitious, self-serving Al Gore; however, he and his party are awfully good at what they do--seize power by any means available.

O.K., O.K. I know there's a ten-yard penalty for ranting. Walk it off, and it remains second down.

Diogenes

 

Gore has already praised the American auto makers on their new line of electric cars and said he thinks it's possible to have all cars on the road electric.....or words to that effect.

 

Internal combustion is a cheap way to produce power. Gore's plan to eliminate it obviously didn't include fuel sources like methanol, ethanol or other renewable fuels. If it did, then he would have logically come to the conclusion that it is the fuels we use in this engine design that need to be addressed until we can find a more economical way of producing power. At least that would address the environmental issue.

There will likely be a day when the internal combustion engine is replaced with better technology. But, it cannot be eliminated until that technology becomes feasible.

Typical of liberals - Let's whine about the problems, and offer no practical solutions. Just tax people more and pretend to be working on a solution...

 

Right, PADZZ.

And the electricity powering those cars would come from . . . let me see, NOT from electric power generating plants burning polluting fossil fuels, like coal or oil; NOT from batteries, whose manufacture and disposal produces TOXIC WASTE; NOT from hydro-electric power plants, whose dams threaten innumerable threatened species of snails, insects, arachnids, fish, reptiles, and so on, all creatures, great and small; NOT from (heaven forbid!) a NUCLEAR power plant, involving RADIATION, certainly; so WHERE? Where does the juice come from to run the Al Gore-certified environmentally-friendly vehicles?

Solar power? How many photo-voltaic cell arrays, the area of a football field, would it take to provide the energy necessary to drive a vehicle with the equivalent power and performance of a contemporary internal combustion engine-equipped compact car from Chicago to L.A.?

Windmills? How many windmills on the windward slope of Mt. Washington would be necessary, for example, to power all the car and truck transportation needs of, say, Boston, MA?

Harnessing electric eels? Certainly not! What would the People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA) say to this abuse?

Yeah, PADZZ, "electric cars" is a simple answer; however, the resulting pollution from plausible means of generating the electic power necessary on the scale envisioned by Bush in eliminating the internal combustion engine would be greater than the pollution caused by the engines they replace.

No matter. "Environmentalist" is only as pose taken by Gore for political expediency, like "Tobacco Farmer," "Computer Scientist," "War Hero" (141 days or so in-theater as a "media specialist," with bodyguard), etc., etc.

Diogenes

 

TOo bad we couldn't make an engine that ran off of water. But we can't do that because then the government would charge us big time for water. We could use something to seperate the Hydrogen in the water and oxygen and turn them into a gas, then they could go into the combustion chamber (oxygen + hydrogen) and the explosion would be much more powerfull than gas powerered engines. then as the oxygen and hydrogen explode the only waste from the car would be water. but we couldn't do that now could we? it's all about money to them. too bad too, we could have a safe engine, clean, and a ton of more power. They have made this kind of engine before, it was a prototype, but it could not be put into production because of the money issue. it's just too bad.

 

pushing legislation to make gas 3 buck or more a gallon . polution control laws that car makers just cannot keep up with and in the end driving car prices out of this world, as if they are not already. up the Tarrifs on imported vehicles, make strict emmission testing rules that are expensive to the consumer. Are only hope is the really rich oil countries and companies and also the car makers themselves. I don't see it happening overnight. but it is a real scary to think about, I wont be happy in a mudhole stuck and out of electricity! at least with gas i can carry a couple gallons. maybe Gore will let me mount a solar panel to my helmet?
good point how will we make all this electricity? more nuclear plants? it is exactly right no reasonable solutions to any of it.

 

Maybe we could resort back to horse and buggy? Use the exhaust to fertilize our garden plot. Perhaps even build a little house on the prairie? NO, no little house on the prairie, that would just ruin prairie restoration projects. NOW WHAT???
Exer

 

I think an electric Quad would be really quiet. Stealth missions would be possible, they wouldn't even hear you coming.
Exer