Once again Tim1, you show how much you don't know. The Rubicon is NOTHING like the 450es. OF course if you had noticed it's on a different frame, Longer travel suspension, different front Differential, longer, higher, different engine from the ground up, water cooled, different in almost everyway, except the HONDA sticker. OF course your comments would only come from someone totally biased. Thats why I suggest ride both the HO and the Rubicon. They both suit peoples needs well. It just depends on what your needs want. Good luck in your choice. You can't go wrong with either.

 

This is a real world shootout between the two it's the best one I read. http://www.*********.com/viewers/for...ssion/506.htm#

I guess your not to put a address of another atv forum.But alot of you know what the other sites is,cant print it here though.Just go to that site under GENERAL DISCUSSIONS then at LET THE SHOOTOUT BEGIN. at A#t Con. Thats the best hint I can give without being deleted,sorry.

 

I have to respect the opinion of anyone who either owns or has ridden both. Either way, theirs is an educated point of view.
Now, when someone states an opinion, having never ridden, and probably never even SEEN one of the choices, you have to wonder about their motivation.
Both of these are fine bikes. To state that one is great and the other not worth it is just silly. Ride 'em and make an EDUCATED choice.