Oil for 2004 Rincon
Nov 6, 2010 | 06:04 PM
#21
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I'll change the oil tomorrow and make sure- it never slipped when warming up until I put the synthetic in it. I'm going back to good'ol crude!
Nov 13, 2010 | 09:45 PM
#22
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well- I replaced the mobil synthetic with honda 4-stroke and no more tranny slipping or whirling sounds... I guess it does make a difference. 
Dec 13, 2010 | 08:50 AM
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Well, here's an update:
The clutch slips more then ever now when cold, if I shift into drive even after 3 minutes of warm-up, it'll move a little but slips in 2nd or 3rd.
If I let it sit for another 5 minutes of warming-up, it no longer slips and drives fine- which leads me to think it's an oil issue that's too thick???
But that can't be normal to have to let an atv warm up for 10 minutes to get it to shift properly.
Now I miss my cvt!
The clutch slips more then ever now when cold, if I shift into drive even after 3 minutes of warm-up, it'll move a little but slips in 2nd or 3rd.
If I let it sit for another 5 minutes of warming-up, it no longer slips and drives fine- which leads me to think it's an oil issue that's too thick???
But that can't be normal
to have to let an atv warm up for 10 minutes to get it to shift properly.Now I miss my cvt!
Dec 13, 2010 | 11:36 AM
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I just spent the last hour going through google searches and reading about Honda clutch issues.
What I found is:
1- There was a TSB about o-rings improperly installed on the production line on years from 2003 - 07 that causes pressure leakage / low oil pressure and results in slippage.
2- The ports the oil travels through to the clutch are too small, and cold oil is too thick to allow proper flow through the ports.
3- Its normal for a Honda clutch to slip if the warm-up period is insufficient...
4- Slippage will occur at any speed, warm or cold if the wrong synthetic oil is used.
TRX650FA Rincon
Cold Weather Transmission Performance :
When used in cold regions, the TRX650 Rincon must be brought to normal operating temperature before usage. This model uses motor oil in the automatic transmission, which requires some time to normalize the flow characteristics. Additionally, oil viscosity is very important to the proper operation of the transmission. If a customer has problems with shifting, slipping or climbing performance, make sure he is warming the unit up prior to putting demands on the transmission. Also make sure he is using the correct viscosity oil. Refer to the owner’s manual for specific recommendations. Do not use oils with graphite, moly, or "energy conserving" oil. Honda offers 5w-30 oil for use in cold climates. Use 0w-30 oil if operating the unit below 10 F. Some aftermarket oil manufacturers offer 0w-30 oil.
Warm-Up Guidelines
The TRX650FA employs a torque converter type transmission that uses engine oil as the working fluid. To avoid any possible transmission slip due to insufficient oil in the torque converter, make sure you and your customers follow the warm up guidelines listed below.
Air Temperature (50-95 degrees F)
Normal warm up--until the engine runs smoothly and responds to the throttle with the choke **** in the fully OFF position. (approx 3 minutes)
Air Temperature (5-50 degrees)
Warm up the engine for three + minutes.
Air Temperature Below -5 degrees F
Warm up the engine for five+ minutes.
What I found is:
1- There was a TSB about o-rings improperly installed on the production line on years from 2003 - 07 that causes pressure leakage / low oil pressure and results in slippage.
2- The ports the oil travels through to the clutch are too small, and cold oil is too thick to allow proper flow through the ports.
3- Its normal for a Honda clutch to slip if the warm-up period is insufficient...
4- Slippage will occur at any speed, warm or cold if the wrong synthetic oil is used.
TRX650FA Rincon
Cold Weather Transmission Performance :
When used in cold regions, the TRX650 Rincon must be brought to normal operating temperature before usage. This model uses motor oil in the automatic transmission, which requires some time to normalize the flow characteristics. Additionally, oil viscosity is very important to the proper operation of the transmission. If a customer has problems with shifting, slipping or climbing performance, make sure he is warming the unit up prior to putting demands on the transmission. Also make sure he is using the correct viscosity oil. Refer to the owner’s manual for specific recommendations. Do not use oils with graphite, moly, or "energy conserving" oil. Honda offers 5w-30 oil for use in cold climates. Use 0w-30 oil if operating the unit below 10 F. Some aftermarket oil manufacturers offer 0w-30 oil.
Warm-Up Guidelines
The TRX650FA employs a torque converter type transmission that uses engine oil as the working fluid. To avoid any possible transmission slip due to insufficient oil in the torque converter, make sure you and your customers follow the warm up guidelines listed below.
Air Temperature (50-95 degrees F)
Normal warm up--until the engine runs smoothly and responds to the throttle with the choke **** in the fully OFF position. (approx 3 minutes)
Air Temperature (5-50 degrees)
Warm up the engine for three + minutes.
Air Temperature Below -5 degrees F
Warm up the engine for five+ minutes.
Dec 13, 2010 | 01:05 PM
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I run ams oil not the zero weight stuff and its a 2006 rincon.. i start this bitch up 30 degrees outside warm it up for like 30 seconds and just ride it. granted I dont pound on it until i feel some warmth from the motor. But whatever not like im in a race or something =)
Dec 13, 2010 | 03:08 PM
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I just spent the last hour going through google searches and reading about Honda clutch issues.
What I found is:
1- There was a TSB about o-rings improperly installed on the production line on years from 2003 - 07 that causes pressure leakage / low oil pressure and results in slippage.
2- The ports the oil travels through to the clutch are too small, and cold oil is too thick to allow proper flow through the ports.
3- Its normal for a Honda clutch to slip if the warm-up period is insufficient...
4- Slippage will occur at any speed, warm or cold if the wrong synthetic oil is used.
What I found is:
1- There was a TSB about o-rings improperly installed on the production line on years from 2003 - 07 that causes pressure leakage / low oil pressure and results in slippage.
2- The ports the oil travels through to the clutch are too small, and cold oil is too thick to allow proper flow through the ports.
3- Its normal for a Honda clutch to slip if the warm-up period is insufficient...
4- Slippage will occur at any speed, warm or cold if the wrong synthetic oil is used.
I think they enlarged oil passages to the transmission during the 650/680 change. Mainly the 0 ring thing was the early ones, but has been seen in the later ones.
How cold is it where you are? Mine does like to take a while to warm up especially when running 10W40 if temps are near freezing or lower.
Dec 13, 2010 | 05:08 PM
#27
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From: rindge, nh
I think they enlarged oil passages to the transmission during the 650/680 change. Mainly the 0 ring thing was the early ones, but has been seen in the later ones.
How cold is it where you are? Mine does like to take a while to warm up especially when running 10W40 if temps are near freezing or lower.
How cold is it where you are? Mine does like to take a while to warm up especially when running 10W40 if temps are near freezing or lower.
It'll get colder before it gets warmer that's for sure! unit6666 can attest to that being in maine-
I actually think I'm going to sell it this week and buy another outty 800
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