magnum500 vs. foreman 450
Nov 19, 1999 | 11:36 PM
#81
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I don't belong to a big club. I ride with three friends. We don't have a name, or a website, or a list of rules. What we do have, is comraderie. We also have diversity. We consist of a Suzuki, Polaris, Yamaha, and a Honda. The interesting thing is, we all got our quads within a couple months of each other. And no one got the same as another. Everybody made a choice based on their likes and dislikes, their research (which may include opinions), and their wants/needs. Oh yeah, we also have fun.
We have traveled to distant places to ride and camp together. We have traversed some of the roughest climbs you will ever see at Tellico Mt., and some of the deepest muck at Sumter National Forest. But you know what? We lunge at the rocks, dive in the mud, and attack the hills with aplomb. Because we know the others are there to help anyone out of a jam. Doesn't matter what brand is on the pulling or being pulled end. It's all about kinsmanship.
What is the point in bashing another's choice? Are they going to rush out and dump their ride because of a post in here? Just alot of rhetoric and peacocking.
To those of you who are saying "I wish he'd just shut the h*** up and mind his own business", I yield the floor.
We have traveled to distant places to ride and camp together. We have traversed some of the roughest climbs you will ever see at Tellico Mt., and some of the deepest muck at Sumter National Forest. But you know what? We lunge at the rocks, dive in the mud, and attack the hills with aplomb. Because we know the others are there to help anyone out of a jam. Doesn't matter what brand is on the pulling or being pulled end. It's all about kinsmanship.
What is the point in bashing another's choice? Are they going to rush out and dump their ride because of a post in here? Just alot of rhetoric and peacocking.
To those of you who are saying "I wish he'd just shut the h*** up and mind his own business", I yield the floor.
Nov 20, 1999 | 05:05 AM
#84
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corcob2 wrote... "GORDIE; you win(.) I'm sorry(,) but I just can('t) get through the immaturity that I'm dealing with here. You just know to much about me from what I write. Your (sic) just way to(o) intelligent for me. Now I begin to understand how you know so much."
Frankly, Cob, I'm a little surprised that you have the integrity to admit it, but I congratulate you for doing so. But take solace in knowing that your immaturity will pass.
"YEAH RIGHT LOL RAVE ON FOOL!!!"
Heh heh. Well, not right away, apparently!
Good luck, Cobby. And don't worry... you'll grow up in time.
Gordon Banks
Frankly, Cob, I'm a little surprised that you have the integrity to admit it, but I congratulate you for doing so. But take solace in knowing that your immaturity will pass.
"YEAH RIGHT LOL RAVE ON FOOL!!!"
Heh heh. Well, not right away, apparently!
Good luck, Cobby. And don't worry... you'll grow up in time.
Gordon Banks
Nov 20, 1999 | 05:57 AM
#85
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SCman wrote... "I don't belong to a big club. I ride with three friends. We don't have a name, or a website, or a list of rules. What we do have, is comraderie."
I'd say it's about the same here, except for the mix of brand names. Here we have mostly Hondas, then Polarises, and then Kawasakis, and we rarely see the other brands. When I had my ill-fated Suzuki 500, it was the only Suzuki we saw with any regularity. The local dealer sells plenty of the other brands, but where they go, we don't know! Maybe farms.
"What is the point in bashing another's choice? Are they going to rush out and dump their ride because of a post in here? Just a lot of rhetoric and peacocking."
I've still not seen a definition of "bashing" that has received widespread popular acceptance, so your meaning there is subject to personal interpretation. A lot of people seem to think that unless you accept their personal theory that their quad is the all-time best, you're bashing it. I don't personally agree with that, but like I said, how many people agree with anyone else's definition of the word?
But I just love your term "peacocking"! I've not seen that before, and I think it fits a lot of people very well... especially a handful of Sportsman 500 owners! I hope you don't mind if I use the term frequently in the future! Again, good choice!
TxDoc2 wrote... "Regarding the earlier post saying that no Jeep had an IRS: Didn't the Model M151 have an independent front and rear suspension? I may be wrong, but it seems like like I have heard that before."
Doc, I didn't see the post saying that no Jeep had IRS, but I can testify that it's untrue. I spent 21 years in the U.S. Army, and every military-spec Jeep I saw had four-wheel independent suspension. Some had stiffer springs than others, some sat higher than others, and a few specialized versions had different size wheels and tires. The passing years saw changes in engines, transmissions, gear ratios, and more, but they all had several things in common, to include four-wheel independent suspension, and being highly prone to roll-overs.
(CORRECTION: I've been thinking about this jeep issue, and now I think I recall seeing a bunch of straight rear-axle jeeps in a salvage yard. I was wrong when I said "every" army jeep I ever saw had IRS. That can't be right. I think different versions or different models did have some different rear suspensions.)
Most of the jeep's replacement vehicles, the HMMV's, also have four-wheel independent suspensions. Only a handful built for special heavy-duty applications have solid rear axles.
Gordon Banks
[This message has been edited by GLBanks (edited 11-20-1999).]
I'd say it's about the same here, except for the mix of brand names. Here we have mostly Hondas, then Polarises, and then Kawasakis, and we rarely see the other brands. When I had my ill-fated Suzuki 500, it was the only Suzuki we saw with any regularity. The local dealer sells plenty of the other brands, but where they go, we don't know! Maybe farms.
"What is the point in bashing another's choice? Are they going to rush out and dump their ride because of a post in here? Just a lot of rhetoric and peacocking."
I've still not seen a definition of "bashing" that has received widespread popular acceptance, so your meaning there is subject to personal interpretation. A lot of people seem to think that unless you accept their personal theory that their quad is the all-time best, you're bashing it. I don't personally agree with that, but like I said, how many people agree with anyone else's definition of the word?
But I just love your term "peacocking"! I've not seen that before, and I think it fits a lot of people very well... especially a handful of Sportsman 500 owners! I hope you don't mind if I use the term frequently in the future! Again, good choice!
TxDoc2 wrote... "Regarding the earlier post saying that no Jeep had an IRS: Didn't the Model M151 have an independent front and rear suspension? I may be wrong, but it seems like like I have heard that before."
Doc, I didn't see the post saying that no Jeep had IRS, but I can testify that it's untrue. I spent 21 years in the U.S. Army, and every military-spec Jeep I saw had four-wheel independent suspension. Some had stiffer springs than others, some sat higher than others, and a few specialized versions had different size wheels and tires. The passing years saw changes in engines, transmissions, gear ratios, and more, but they all had several things in common, to include four-wheel independent suspension, and being highly prone to roll-overs.
(CORRECTION: I've been thinking about this jeep issue, and now I think I recall seeing a bunch of straight rear-axle jeeps in a salvage yard. I was wrong when I said "every" army jeep I ever saw had IRS. That can't be right. I think different versions or different models did have some different rear suspensions.)
Most of the jeep's replacement vehicles, the HMMV's, also have four-wheel independent suspensions. Only a handful built for special heavy-duty applications have solid rear axles.
Gordon Banks
[This message has been edited by GLBanks (edited 11-20-1999).]
Nov 20, 1999 | 08:48 AM
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My hats off to Gordon I have read nearly all of his post on this foreman looks like he beat cob down with facts...so what did cob come back with a line about how he was laughing I hope he is still laughing when he gets the repair bills on his sp500 in the future...Gordon is like me he takes consideration on all the different types of atv's their bad and good points he doesn't take the attitude of my ride is superior I don't care what you say like some others I know on this forum. Looks like from your posts cob the places you are riding a simple 2 wheel drive toyota or nissan truck would do you come on down and ride some of the coal mining hills and we will see how that sportsman does then.
Artic cat...In the hills thats where its at
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Artic cat...In the hills thats where its at
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Nov 20, 1999 | 10:11 AM
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NOTE: This post addresses previous comments on this topic regarding whether any Jeep ever had independent rear suspension (IRS). I believe language was used, words to the effect, "A Jeep with IRS? You're crazy!" With some research, the poster might not have leveled such a general judgment on those who believe some Jeeps indeed had IRS, a population, by the way, consisting of some mighty good company.
The new Forum format requires this qualification, since no obvious linkage exists between this post and the ones it addresses. By the way, the great articulation observed on the Jeeps negotiating Moab trails, etc., often results from disconnected sway bars on those machines.
The M151 Jeep (the last Jeep issued in general service before the advent of the "Hummers") indeed featured independent rear suspension; in fact, fully independent suspension, accompanied by camber changes upon suspension excursion a la early Corvair and VW, accompanied by beaucoups rollovers by inadequately trained/disciplined troops.
As a matter of fact, the propensity of the M151 to roll over when operated by untrained and undisciplined drivers is considered so serious by the Army, the vehicles are not considered fit for civilian consumption. When an M151 is "surplussed," considered unserviceable and disposed of, the vehicle is "de-militarized" by cutting the frame in two with a cutting torch, in hopes of ending its life as a motor vehicle.
(Keep this fact in mind when you see the ads, "JEEPS! $ 10!!!!! Government Auctions!!!!!")
The predecessor Jeep of WWII fame, and its immediate post-war variants, had solid live axles front and rear. The M38 (last "Standard A" model before the M151), and all previous model jeeps, had straight axles.
How effective was the 4WD of the solid-axled Jeep? I asked a seasoned outdoorsman and commercial fisherman on the lower Sabine River (before Toledo Bend Dam) how effective was the PTO winch on his vintage Jeep.
He replied, "Without the winch, the 4WD is as useless as the **** on a boar hog."
Some parallel may exist in the world of ATVing, at least in terrain approaching the mire of the lower Sabine bottom.
Tree Farmer
[This message has been edited by Tree Farmer (edited 11-21-1999).]
The new Forum format requires this qualification, since no obvious linkage exists between this post and the ones it addresses. By the way, the great articulation observed on the Jeeps negotiating Moab trails, etc., often results from disconnected sway bars on those machines.
The M151 Jeep (the last Jeep issued in general service before the advent of the "Hummers") indeed featured independent rear suspension; in fact, fully independent suspension, accompanied by camber changes upon suspension excursion a la early Corvair and VW, accompanied by beaucoups rollovers by inadequately trained/disciplined troops.
As a matter of fact, the propensity of the M151 to roll over when operated by untrained and undisciplined drivers is considered so serious by the Army, the vehicles are not considered fit for civilian consumption. When an M151 is "surplussed," considered unserviceable and disposed of, the vehicle is "de-militarized" by cutting the frame in two with a cutting torch, in hopes of ending its life as a motor vehicle.
(Keep this fact in mind when you see the ads, "JEEPS! $ 10!!!!! Government Auctions!!!!!")
The predecessor Jeep of WWII fame, and its immediate post-war variants, had solid live axles front and rear. The M38 (last "Standard A" model before the M151), and all previous model jeeps, had straight axles.
How effective was the 4WD of the solid-axled Jeep? I asked a seasoned outdoorsman and commercial fisherman on the lower Sabine River (before Toledo Bend Dam) how effective was the PTO winch on his vintage Jeep.
He replied, "Without the winch, the 4WD is as useless as the **** on a boar hog."
Some parallel may exist in the world of ATVing, at least in terrain approaching the mire of the lower Sabine bottom.
Tree Farmer
[This message has been edited by Tree Farmer (edited 11-21-1999).]
Nov 20, 1999 | 05:28 PM
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Rooster,
Yes my Grand Cherokee does have a solid front axle. So do the smaller Cherokees & Wranglers. I should have clarified I meant civilian Jeeps. I know the US Army has many different offerings. I mean there where some with tracks on the back!!! I think the ***** even had motorcycles with tracks on them...
With disconnected sway bars, lifts & spring overs, shackle changes etc. the solid axles really work well. But I live in Ohio, not to many rocks around here. Mud, snow & trails though
c-ya,
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Andrew Thomas
'99 Scrambler 400 & '99 Trailblazer, both with RCR mods.
Yes my Grand Cherokee does have a solid front axle. So do the smaller Cherokees & Wranglers. I should have clarified I meant civilian Jeeps. I know the US Army has many different offerings. I mean there where some with tracks on the back!!! I think the ***** even had motorcycles with tracks on them...
With disconnected sway bars, lifts & spring overs, shackle changes etc. the solid axles really work well. But I live in Ohio, not to many rocks around here. Mud, snow & trails though
c-ya,
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Andrew Thomas
'99 Scrambler 400 & '99 Trailblazer, both with RCR mods.
