When and where was this cvt F1 car???? How about some specifics please.

 

I think you guys may have found their niche. I have noticed that in many riding areas, you are seeing quads with the big car trunks on the back and fairings on the front. They just need air conditioning

It was actually kinda humorous this weekend when I saw two big Foremans decorated like that on a trailer sitting beside two GoldWings.

From the looks of all of the owners, they appeaered to be retired. Those are the people who you like to do business with because they come in and pay for it and likely have the dealer do all of the service work as well. This is likely a great marketing move by Honda.

I have actually been considering something that rides better than my Prairie 650 because of my back, but I just cant part with the 600 pound rocket just yet.

 

I don't blame you jlpier01, you've a heck of a machine! I have 3 freinds that own P650's and I think it's a great ride.

 

lotus formula

http://www.ritzsite.demon.nl/DAF/DAF_cars_p17.htm

I dont know anything about f1 cars just remember reading about this in car and driver a couple of months ago with the intro of the Honda Civic with CVT.

The CVT was DEVELOPED by formula 1.
Do a search on google for "formula 1 cvt transmission"
You will get tons of hits.

 

Yes, you get tons of hits. They all say the same thing, that a cvt prototype had been developed, and that it is faster than the conventional car. They also say that this car has been banned. This is a distortion. CvT's have NEVER competed in an F1 race, at least in the modern age. There are a lot of design studies/prototypes in F1 that never have seen the light of an actual race, and were never inteded to. They are simply pursuing every avenue to gain knowledge. Even the semi automatic transmissions with programmable upshift/downshifts were outlawed because they take away from the needed driver input. Kind of like a CVT quad.... [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]

Anyway, IMO, Honda perceives the brake issue as, what is the most foolproof, lowest maintainance system for Joe Average? Drums. For the hardcore mudder, they don't fill the bill, but remember, the hardcore mudder probably is a fairly small percentage of the overall purchaser numbers. Frankly, I wish they would put a locker and discs on the front, just so the p@@@@@g and moaning about it would cease.

 

Disc - drum, disc - drum, disc - drum, better or worse? The debate goes on. The one thing I don't understand is how in the he!! can you stand to listen to that squeek squeek squeek all day from those discs? We usually take up the tail-gunner position so we can drop back so we do not have to listen to squeeky brakes. I will take my drum brakes any day.[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]

 

My opinion on the brake issue is that people are making way too big of a deal over it. There's a reason why sport quads have disc brakes-because they need good stopping power. When they're flying up to a corner on a course and they need to stop quick and get back on the gas, disc brakes are the only way to go in this situation. For a bigger utility ATV, drums serve the purpose fine. I don't see many races with people entering their Grizzly 660's and Sportsman 700's with the Banshees, Raptors, and Cannondales. Most people don't buy these machines to ride them as aggressive as a sport quad. My personal experience with disc and drum brakes are that disc brakes do offer better stopping performance, but at the cost of frequent brake pad replacement. One trailride we went on where there were sandy trails and it rained while we were riding (Black River Falls, WI) the sand ate the brake pads up. That one trailride made us replace the pads front and rear on both sport machines. But it didn't have any effect on the Rubicon and 450ES's brakes. Dad's 450ES has 2,000 some miles and we have yet to do anything to any of the brakes. Same with ma's Rubicon. Over 1,000 miles on that and nothing to do on the brakes. You just don't use the brakes much on these two models. What saves the brakes is having good engine braking. Drum brakes on the older say '97 Sportman 500 wouldn't last long on that machine. That's my experience with drum vs. disc brakes. They both have their place.

 

Rooster, I have to agree with you, everyone just makes too big of deal over the brakes. Everyone KNOWS disc brakes will stop better, but when your not going 300 mph and have to stop for a corner, drums are no big deal. One thing that I do like about the braking system on my Rubicon is that if front brakes go out (fluid type system), then the rear (cable type, one cable for the handlebar lever and another for the foot brake) will still stop the ATV. 4-wd all the time also means that if one system fails without me knowing the other system will still stop all four wheels. That to me is the best braking system out there, bar none, I will never be left "brakeless". I also have a 4-wd Rancher for my daughters and safety was my main concern. (Honda depedability, all ways in 4-wd, braking system, and some other features) The same braking system applys to the Rancher. I also think that the braking system on the my Hondas cost more to manufacture that a front and rear disc system with one master cylinder, (one leak and you have no brakes!) maybe thats why they are drum and not disc. Just my 2 cents worth.[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]

 

Brakes arent a big deal,

But would anyone say they would be unhappy with disks?
Why have all the other manufactures gone away from drums as the sole braking power?
Its just the little things that add up to why I key word I would or would not make a purchase. Some people like the Prairies pull lever locker, some like the Grizz push button locker, but both will agree they like a locker. Even if they arent a hardcore mudder. Plus if you live where there is snow, drums suck if you store a machine outside!!!!

So all we are saying is everyone whould be happy if they had added these features, the Honda guys would still be happy if not happier.. See what I am getting at? oh and put adjustable shocks on it. All atv's should come with them. Biggest complaint I have on my prairie... No front Adjustable struts.

 

Im with 3tv. I think honda should make a foreman or rancher size machine with a 500-650cc engine, ranchers say 350cc, while its actually 329cc. Thats crap! Rancher chassis, 600cc, automatic and footshift(instead of ESP) (ah reliable foot shift..), 6-speed (go faster), 2x4/4x4(maybe lock?)
and its still under 550lbs. I think if they really tried, they would make the ultimate machine. Its all about money.