Evin if we get a 450ex I think that the racing limit is 440 but I am not sure. So if that happens all of the racers wont beable to race it.

 

The limit for the 4-stroke class at the present time is 440. We will be meeting this friday to make changes in the rules for next year. At the present time I see no need to change the limit from 440. We have called and talked to some people if the limit should be changed, but we have not recieved any return answers. So do you raise the limit thinking that something will come or do you leave it along? My thinking is to leave it alone. The OEN class limit will most likely be set at 450.

 

That is for GNC racing though right? GNCC pro-pro is run what you brung so long as it is on a stock frame so to speak, even 2 strokes.

I think there should be more of a push to standerdize, 2 classes 400 and open or some sort get. I know a lot of folks have pure race units but I would like to see something more taylored to getting new blood forget the dead 20 year old units and start making people use a Factory based quad. If they want to race the home builts great just do not make it the top money class, Forget the production frame crap just make it production based motors and plastics.

 

If you ask me, all classes should be going to CURRENTLY produced quads.

The sport will never gather alot of excitment if everyone who has $6000 to buy a new quad has to watch custom built $20,000 win week after week.

Get rid of the motorcycle engines.....period. All AMA sanctioned events should ban them.

Implement a 5 year rule on the new pro classes. if the machine wasn't offered by a factory in over 5 years, it would be illegal for competition.

The current Pro class rules should be changed to allow current produced quads only [within 5 years].

Make the rule change now and enforce it beginning with the 2004 season. This would give everyone over a year to get a new program together.

What do you do with the cycle powered quads and 250Rs?? Put them in an exhibition. The actual majority of racers nationwide are going to newer things and the AMA's rules should reflect that as well as encourage it.

Does this label me as an Extremist?? Yes. But the current mess hasn't been dealt with in years and will take extreme measures to straighten it out.

Anyone remember when McGrath ruled supercross on the Honda from 1993to1996?? Honda never made it public, but it leaked out that MC had used a 1993 chassis during that entire time span because he liked it better than the chassis that came along in 1994.

If this was well known at the time, everyone would be searching for old CR models rather than buying new.

This is the same thing that has happened for years in the quad world regarding the TRX250R.

Out with the old and in with the new.

 

I think the ATVA should raise the 4-strokes to 450 to follow the standards set by the FIM and the AMA for the "250" class. The 440 rule dates back to when the only thing available was the 400EX as far as factory quads and the YZ400F on the dirtbike side. Times have changed and the rules should reflect this. A seperate Pro-Production class should also be adopted, similar to what is already there in the GNCCs. Give the guys a choice on what class to run. The ATVA can very easily determine which class will be the "premier" class by structuring the purse money and promotions to favor the one they want.

 

jungleboogie,


<< Out with the old and in with the new. >>


you are just pissed cuz the old trx250r quads are kicking butt. if you think your quad is better, than put some money in it and compete. you run what you brung, and you bring whatever is the fastest, period. until you can prove that these new quads are better than the modified older ones, then the old guy quads shouldnt have to yeild.

 

JungleBoogie - The no motorcycle engines rule COULD be a good rule if the manufacturers made some better quads, but as it stands now, I honestly believe that would set quad racing back. There are TONNNNNS of people out there w/ built R's and CRF's/YZF's and it would seriously suck for them to have to sell their quads and buy new ones. I know if I owned one, I wouldn't do it, and I&quot;m sure there's more that feel the same way, so that is why I think that rule would seriously hurt quad racing.

 

Well in this type of racing the real question is:

Is it rider or wallet?

The easiest thing to do is to make a BONE stock class. No shocks, no pipe, no carb, ne gearing, only tires. This would be the fun class to watch as the quads are so close only rider skill is a factor.

Just my thoughts

Smitty

 

that would be fun smitty, then the regular joe could walk off the showroom floor and onto the track. i know that c'dales can pretty much already do that, but thats because they come stock with many aftermarket and upgraded components.

 

The easiest thing to do is to make a BONE stock class. No shocks, no pipe, no carb, ne gearing, only tires. This would be the fun class to watch as the quads are so close only rider skill is a factor.

That's great, but it poses a definite safety hazard in MX racing. Most stock quads come with crap shocks &amp; steel bars. A dangerous combo for a skilled rider hitting big jumps.

I agree with shifting to production machines. We need rid of the $20,000 entry fee to race with the guys with money and/or backing.

Back in the dark days of Sport ATVs, these custom frames and motorcycled engines were necessary to keep the sport alive. With the recent ATV models released, a competitive racers can be built without resorting to using custom frames and non-atv engines.

More importantly though than the high cost of custom built machines, it is imparative to start a &quot;war&quot; between manufacturers to better their products to win races. As it stands, when someone wins on a Roll Design chassis with a CRF450R engine who does it benefit? If racers began to dominate on (even built) LTZ400's it's likely that their sales would improve greatly, getting Honda, Yamaha, and Kawasaki's attention. This competition between manufacturers would benefit us all.

To make this happen, the classes that get the most magazine exposure need to have production machines, not custom framed &amp; engined combos that are not available unless you build from scratch.