I read an artical about emmission standards, and compliance. the artical said that all 2 stoke engines will be out of production( or un avalable in the US) by the year 2006, this means that lawn mowers , weed wips ,quads & sleds would all be 4 strokes to be purchased new in the US after the ban goes in to effect. the estimated time that the remaining 2 strokes would last is 20 to 30 years. thats a long time ,plus that doesn't count retro fits. hope that answers your question. Yetti[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-cool.gif[/img]

 

Well, the quad is a Honda CR250 bike motor in a 400EX frame. I don't doubt that they're doing the project, I just don't think it will be a very durable quad.

 

Ride Red, It is a picture of 400ex with an inset picture of a cr250 engine in a cr250 dirtbike frame. A shop called Service Honda is going to build them using a cr250 motor in a 400ex frame. IMO honda will never build a two stroke again. As far as obsolesence the enviro's will be the death of them eventually...until then ride em hard!

 

I guess Tim Farr's CRF450 quad is just a sport quad right? Doug Gusts DRZ obviously isn't a race quad either... and the numerous other YZF's, CRF's, and C-dales that are being more and more widely used in the RACING scene are just sport quads too. If things keep going this way, and 4-strokes just keep getting more popular in MX, they won't even be able to call MX, racing anymore.

Dude, you need to get over the whole 2-stroke, 4-stroke thing. Just because something is a 4-stroke, doesn't mean it isn't a race bike. It's just different motors with different characteristics. Bad mouthing 4-strokes is just as dumb as being brand loyal.

I honestly hope the 250R will become COMPLETELY obsolete. That would mean that the "Big 4" has actually released a quad worth racing off the showroom floor. Right now, Cannondale is the only one doing that. I don't care who makes the quad, or whether it's a 2-stroke or 4-stroke. If it helps our sport, I like it.

 

Dude.......why you gotta be like that? late,zubbeyboy

 

Don't get me wrong man, I absolutely LOOOOOVE the R's. I rode Lonestarbanshee's at Greenville MX and that is the only other quad that I can jump on, take a few laps and feel completely comfortable on. I would have bought one but my dad wouldn't let me spend my money on a quad that was that old, and it's hard to really find a R for sale that doesn't require a lot of work. I bought the C-dale because so far no other company offers anything that is worth the money, IMO.

The reason I say I wish the R would become obsolete is because that would mean that the big 4 is making GOOD, SOLID, Race ready (or atleast close to race ready) quads, which would also mean that there could be a good chance for factory support. I'm more worried about the well being of our sport than I am whether or not one quad is still #1. If more people bought new quads and racing got more popular, the manufacterers would see that there is a market there, and they would start building the good quads, so in a sence, the R's actually hold back our sport (in a small indirect way).

Remember, this is JUST MY OPINION. If you disagree, that's fine. If you want, you can try to change my opinion, but please don't resort to bashing. I get really tired of good posts gone bad because people can't stand to listen to someones opinions.

 

Its all good bro.I LOVE the Cannondales also.Im not a 4Stroke basher or a HONDA only guy.I actually will be buying a second Quad next summer for the gal and she will probably never ride so it will be nice to have another Quad to ride.It will very well be a Cannondale or Yamaha.Guess well see what HONDA does???I will probably always hang on to my R though.Just love the 2 Stroke Power.the smell,and it seems very predictable to ride. late,zubbeyboy

 

Thanks RideRed420, Now I'm motivated enough to go to the local grocery store and check out the mag... Sure would be nice if it were true!!!

Yetti is right, the tree huggers and the highly intelectual folks that fund them will be the demise of our wonderful two strokers. But as long as I have access to a machine shop or aftermarket parts, I'll always ride my antiques... Illigitimi-non-carburundum!! (Don't let the bastards get you down)

Here's a good quote for the day: Ignorance and Apathy are just as dangerous as an evironmentalist and a lawyer!

MXDale71: Yes, in my OPINION (And yes, I'm entitled to one too!) Tim Farrs and Doug Gusts machines are SPORT quads! Hybrid ones... but still the same. Can I go to the stealer and buy one??? NOPE! Are they a PRODUCTION race quad? NOPE! Sure I could find someone to custom build me one for the tune of around $20K. (Or a C'dale for a whopping $12K)
Sure, You can call the C'dale a production race quad.... and it competes nicely with the other sport quads out there.... On the MX track... I rode a speed in the dunes last summer.... Better keep them on the MX track.... But hey, I'm not bashing here.
Are folks racing sport quads these days, YES..... Because there are no other alternatives!
I was so excited when I first heard of the C'dale... the early prototypes were 400cc 2-STROKES!!!
I damn near peed my pants.... Then the Enviro-****'s took over, and the rest is history.

I'm not brand bashing... Nor am I willing to 'get over' the 2 stroke/ 4 stroke thing anytime soon! I will "bad mouth" the 4 strokers anytime I feel like it. They can't compete with the 2 strokers! PERIOD! It takes twice the cc's (400's compete in the 250 class), and just think about the physics of it all.... For every 4 cycles, a 2 stroke engine has two power strokes where a 4 cycle only has one!
Until technology can narrow this gap, I'm will not even consider a 4 stroke as a full RACE engine!
So don't call me 'dumb' for making this arguement

That my friend is MY humble 'OPINION'
Please don't take this post the wrong way.... I too am tired of posts going bad due to arguing.... We're all entitled to our OPINION, and I just wanted to make sure you were as clear on mine as I am yours...
Likewise, I respect your opinion, and have no intention of trying to change it for you..

Thanks and have a great day!

 

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Ok, I apoligize. I wasn't implying that you were dumb, I just didn't word that the way I should have. I can see your point because of the 4-strokes needing almost twice the displacement, but they are completely different motors. While 2-strokes have that hard hitting power band with a lot of mid-top end, 4-strokes have a more smooth broad power band that is easier to ride, the power comes on earlier and pulls longer. Unfortunately, the power of the 4-strokes is pretty lame (from the big 4) in the quad world. I mean a 432cc 4-stroke SHOULD NOT jump and walk away from a 660cc 4-stroke, and I would have to agree with you that most the quads available are mearly sport quads. BUT, I don't think calling CRF450's, YZF's, and C-dales sport quads is accurate. There may be a little less than a 200cc difference between my quad and yours, but these quads will absolutely scream off the line and are VERY hard to beat to the first corner.

IMO, being a 2-stroke or 4-stroke isn't the desiding factor on whether or not it's a sport quad or race quad. I won't call a blaster a race quad and I won't call a banshee or even a R a race quad unless it has a lot of work done to it. IMO, the deciding factor is if it can go out to a nationals race and still be competitive. As far as I can see, my Cannibal is still a sport quad, but a Moto 440 is a race quad. A stock R or close to stock R isn't a race quad, but when you put some money into it, add shocks, a-arms, axle, pipe, silencer, and atleast some minor motor work, THAN it is a race quad.

I respect your opinion, but honestly... I wouldn't be debating this with you if I wasn't trying to change it, lol [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img].

Later