<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: pwillie

According to "Shooting Times " mag. the 223 ammo is in short supply. This months issue.</end quote></div>

That's cause I bought it all....LOL

 

I had the "Honor" of using a AR 16, I liked the 30 cal.M1 carbine much better.

 

I've got a shorty AR-15 that is set up with the collapsible stock and everything in an M-4 configuration and equipped with an EOTech holosight and rail for detachable flashlight and laser (which are generally more trouble than they're worth by the way). It's a handy little rifle. Does a good job and coyotes and feral dogs. The holosight is simple excellent on a rifle like this.

For more distant work I have a national match prepped AR-15 from what is now Armalite. It has a heavy custom barrel, national match sights and trigger. You can do some good shooting just with the iron sights. I have a Leupold 4.5-14x50 Mark 4 LR/T 30mm mounted on it. It is really accurate but to be honest the trigger needs some work. It has a NM trigger but I don't think it is up to the standards of the rest of the rifle. I want to get a better trigger for it. I think this one is bad enough that is effects some of my shooting in some situations. I find it a bit annoying.

I've got another flat top heavy barrel AR platform in pieces waiting to be put together. It's going to get sold I think though. I'm losing my interest in doing long range AR rifles in 556. They're just .223s and yeah they can go out a few hundred yards and yeah you can go through all sorts of dramatic measures to get them there with accuracy but they can't do anything useful when they get there. If I build any more AR rifles they'll be shorty M-4s or pistols. For distance maybe I'll start building bolt actions or FALs or something.

 

Sorry guys but a .223 round is good in the right hands I've shot all game animals i hunt with a .223 and never had any problems. sure all the other rounds u fellas like are good for killing elephents or semi trucks. 7mm and other rounds waste so much of the animal its sad. and as for distance with .223 its in shooters hands u can use em with all the goodies u can find and I bet with iron sights I'll still beat ya with my A3. lets see that 1/2 in group at 100 yards with leapolds and such while u r standing. u would be lucky to hit paper. now If i cant see it I'm not gonna hit it u r right there but in the field how often do u get a bench to sit on and set up sights on target? all those big guns people have suggested need scopes barely any come with iron sights.
Hammer u got it right with .223 round and try keeping open sights unless u shoot from rested position all the time. and have fun

 

I have the 93R17FV. Its the black synthetic stock and stainless. I have a bushnell banner 3.5-10x36mm scope. The scope is made for the 17grain bullet. I can hit crows out past 100 yards all day long.

the BVSS is an awesome gun. I couldnt afford that much just for a bird/groundhog rifle so I got the FV instead.

 

I have the 93R17FV. Its the black synthetic stock and stainless. I have a bushnell banner 3.5-10x36mm scope. The scope is made for the 17grain bullet. I can hit crows out past 100 yards all day long.

the BVSS is an awesome gun. I couldnt afford that much just for a bird/groundhog rifle so I got the FV instead.

 

I got the mine in .223 because it is a military caliber and it will always be manufactured. Even if production stops for other better civilian rounds.

 

Aren't there two different 223 rounds? I mean that a gun will shoot either, but not both? I might be wrong, I have been before, but I thought when I was looking to get dies for my Dillon, there were two different 223 dies, because there were two different rounds. I have the ARs.

 

go with a bushmaster or an olympic arms

 

Any clue how much ammo costs have risen since the the first post? I think my ammo has risen in value by 20-30% just in the last 3-4 months!. Anybody using the wolf brand?