I'd like to add to this... some of REDS650's claims... As this goes against alot of what he has been saying, as well as what ALLTOY's was saying about the Naber unit...

I'd also like to say, that I really wish you had been able to keep an unbiased position initially, rather than bashing High Lifter, as bad as you were a few weeks ago... At this point I'm not doubting your credibility, but there will be others that will, because of the negitive posts you directed towards High Lifter initially...

 

I believe it increases the credibility to question something. It shows that they REALLY know how these things work and can spot a fraud based on their knowledge. It is apparent that the naysayers were right. I did buy a HL module, but really didn't buy into the claims of it being better than other modules because those who have views I respect said it couldn't do more than the others. I've read up on what all of them will do and after installing mine, I tried it to see if it would gain more in mid and top and could find no difference. I tried going WOT from rolling start at 5 mph after several seconds and could not tell a difference. I can tell a BIG difference from a dead stop. So mine apparently does nothing more than other modules out there. I happened to buy mine from a company that I respected, but not because I was expecting their module to do more than others and I wasn't disappointed. I'm happy with what it gives me, but I'm not going to claim it delivers more than it really does. Besides, buying it from the company I did got me a cool sticker to put on my wheeler and I didn't get that after buying another product from another company. I'm all about cool stickers!! [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]

 

REBEL... like I posted, I don't currently doubt PRAIRIE633's credibility, & I fully believe he understands the modules function better than I do, however the posted data would generally be accepted easier, if there hadn't been so much negitive posting before the data was available...

 

[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif[/img] Newbeetle, I thought you and I were friends? Kidding. You are right. I should have kept shut until someone like Prairie633 started getting the bottom of it. I will write an apology to anyone that wants it.

One reason I doubted HL is that everyting they said went completely against what the DG tech said. Now I realize that you guys may not have talked to the guy, but if you ever did you would have a tendency to agree that he knows what he is talking about and wouldn't ever spread false claims.

Another reason I doubted HL is because we all previously found that so many things said about modules were false. I had a tendency to feel that the HL claims were just more of the same.

A third reason is the dyno test they posted of the AC650 with and without the module looks like a hoax to me. You would need a lot of mods or a big bore kit to get that much of a gain that covers the entire RPM band.

A fourth reason is the lack of technical explanation. They never said why it works. I am not saying for them to give me their secrets, but they could have produced a timing curve or given some kind of decent explanation. To me it looked like the same kind of advertising as those magnets that you put around your fuel line. The DG tech's amount of data and understanding about the function of the CDI was very persuasive to me.

Now, don't think I favor DG for any reason. I have been disappointed in them for not producing what they kept promising. However, I feel like I understand the issues they were dealing with on the CDI and the unlimiter. That is the reason I do not bash DG. They honestly tried for us. They also never used smoke and mirror tricks on us. What I feel they did wrong was try to get a job done without putting enough resources or investment behind it.

 

NYROC...LOL... I can't even think of anything "really" negitive that you said... however several forum members ( including PRAIRIE633 ), were publicly bashing HL... ( & I'm not saying that these people weren't right in the end ), however anyone who expects to post data should ( at least publicly ) remain objective, to add credibility to thier found data... It would be very easy for HL supporters to discredit 633's data as tainted because of the previously biased posting...

Again 633... I don't doubt your credibility, or knowledge of the modules function, only with your public forum comments prior to posting your data ( even if they support what you said ), as there will be doubters...

 

LOL sorry nyroc, "One reason I doubted HL is that everyting they said went completely against what the DG tech said. " the DG tech has still not delivered on their unlimiter, perhaps he didn't know what he thought he knew!

 

OK...OK...I'll shut up, I sound way too much like a presidential cantidate...

 

Fireman, I see the humor in that. However, it actually is not like that at all. It took huge brains and understanding of the CDI to make the unlimiter. Did you know the unlimiter has a processor? It isn't one of those simple timers that most of us could go to radio shack and buy a chip to make. It has code in it to do it's thing. It works well, they say, but causes a minor hiccup that they could not stop and would not try to sell without fixing it.

He completed it enough to be an authority on the stock CDI. He knows more about the CDI than all the other module creators even dream. He knows every wire and it's function. HL can't claim that. I tried to offer suggestions to the DG tech as to why the unlimiter didn't work. He had already been down every road I and told me many many more things that he was thinking of and had already tested.

He knows his stuff. I don't doubt that he could get to the bottom of the unlimiter issue or even do a CDI himself. However, at this point now that Dyna offers a CDI, I am not sure if DG is going to spend any resources.

I think it can be proven in a court of law that the DG tech knows the stock CDI. However, they are a small company with little resources. That is the reason they didn't get an unlimiter out, not because they don't understand the stock CDI.

 

Newbeattle, I didn't think 633 bashed HL product ( I would have to reread to be sure), but was upset with the response he got from HL when asking technical questions. Some of the responses by HL or others (mainly on their site) were very negative - and more like - buy it becuase we said it worked.

I pretty much assumed it was not vastly different from the other, not becuase of any technical knowledge, but mainly by the price. If it had that much more benefit, not saying that it does not work slightly better or exactly the same, it would have cost significantly more than the others.

 

prairie633 posted - prairie633 - this sounds contradictory. Can you explain?

newbeatle posted - newbeatle - the elapsed time results would seem to indicate otherwise.

nyroc - I also got a PM from Dan at H/L to give him a call for an explaination of the module. This was after giving him a lesson in proper business practices. I, like you, could not get an explaination of what was different about the H/L module and this made me extremely sceptical. prairie633 had also given me a heads-up on his preliminary module tests; the H/L was no better than the others.