Mudblaster, what you say makes sense to me. I know the SRA machines I've had most definitely cornered better than IRS. IRS will roll over on you in a heartbeat.
From what I'm hearing, though, the 750 with a little more wheel offset handles much better? Can you slide the rear out at all, or is that inviting disaster?

What about the Kawi's in water? Rack deep, say? I'm not a big time mudder, but sometimes down here when it's wet, you either make water crossing, or you go back home. The last couple of Polaris I had they seem to have figured out how to keep the belt dry. I've ridden them hundreds of yards through rack deep water with no wet belt. I've crossed a few ditches that were probably 4' deep by popping the front end up in the deepest parts.
Will the 750 do that stock, or am I looking at mods?

Thanks for all the info.
DT

 

Couple things the polaris has, EFI and viscus 4wd locking. I have a prairie and not being able to lock in the 4wd when your stuck sucks, if the rear is spinning at all it doesnt want to engage that front. Thats the only thing I dont like. Polaris has that figured out. I think your right too on the water tightness, I have a big group of polairs friends and all they do is bog. The only water issue I had was when I sucked it in, I went submarining [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]

The efi would be nice if its cold out and you dont want to tune carbs.

The things I dont like about SPs are the single brakes that is foreign to me, they are heavy, the lack of the manual locking diff, I am also fond of the HP, and simplicty of the Kawi. I have put a 1000 miles on my prairie now with the only issue a noisy kebc. But tonight that got pulled.

 

If your asking opinions, Mine is the sportsman is better than both the brute and the bomb. I test rode the brute for two days and the power was good and its lighter than the other two machines. I only had to ride the sportsman for 10 minutes and made a decision on the sportsman. The four wheel drive system is better on the Polaris no doubt! The sportsman ride better, pules heavier loads, more storage, better tires, bigger axles, and better looking machine. If t was going to get any thing be side the sportsman it would be an arctic cat. as far as 4x4 machines. The sportsman is heavier than the other two machines but I don't see that being a problem.

 

You realize any credibility you had went down the drain when you just said that the bomb and brute force were heavier than your polaris. Lets see Dry weight of bomb and brute is around 600 pounds while the polaris is about 760 pounds.

Four wheel drive system goes to the brute force by far... Four wheel drive when you want four wheel drive not when something slips.

Pull? Been to any pulls?

As far as tires who keeps the stockers anyway...

As far as axles go as greg mcmullen said one of the people for gorilla axle... polaris does have some bigger axles but they're made of a weaker material than the jap bikes.

 

The SPs are the hogs of ATV world, they are +- 100lbs more than a Prairie. ProPolaris is saying the Brute/Bomb are lighter though in his thread I think you read it wrong goatman.

Better looking is an opinion, I totally disagree with you there. IMO the Griz is the best looking utility and the SPs line up dead last. I hate the 1 brake lever on the SPs too, that is just foreign. Polaris has some very nice aftermarket things though like the locking rack systems, and the windshields.

And I wouldnt say the 4wd is better, just that viscus locking is ****. That is a huge feature IMO.

Pulls heavier loads is subjective too, IRS squats out a ton, even if its rated higher towing its likly because its 100lbs heavier. Better tires is a fact thats for certain.

I think what you did to test was the thing to do, try them all and see what you like. I dont think you can go wrong with any of them, but they all have their faults.


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I must be regressing. Now I'm thinking maybe even go for the KFX700. That's a hot looking machine. Sport chassis with a shaft drive!

Hmmmm... BF... KFX....BF... KFX....

DT

 

What about the Suzuki KQ?

 

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Originally posted by: Plainsman
The SPs are the hogs of ATV world, they are +- 100lbs more than a Prairie. ProPolaris is saying the Brute/Bomb are lighter though in his thread I think you read it wrong goatman.

At work I make fun of the Polaris/Harley crowd, I call them Harlarious, hehe. Since the Polaris guys also are into Harley, hehe. Some people like big fat slow things and thats fine.

Better looking is an opinion, I totally disagree with you there. IMO the Griz is the best looking utility and the SPs line up dead last. I hate the 1 brake lever on the SPs too, that is just foreign. Polaris has some very nice aftermarket things though like the locking rack systems, and the windshields.

Also not a fan of the Polaris fuji engine.

And I wouldnt say the 4wd is better, just that viscus locking is ****. That is a huge feature IMO.


I think what you did to test was the thing to do, try them all and see what you like. I dont think you can go wrong with any of them, but they all have their faults.


HAHAHA fat slow things, you hit the nail on the head. And I like the 4x4 system on the brute, I have total control, not something else deciding that for me. And at different speeds I heard the locker has different degrees of locking in. Haha owell. IMO the brute is a nice looking quad. Far better than the grizz, and especially the polaris! But like you said opinion. But why wouldnt the harley guys like kawi? For the v-twin. Why like the polaris with its paralell in-line twin. But up here in Maine only the old people ride the polaris's it seems.

 

I may not made my self clear the polaris is heavy than the brute or the bomb. Im not saying the brute is a bad machine cause it's not. The sportsman is better for me.

 

Throw out a question like that and you see what happens.

There are really only three things to consider.

The first is your budget. If you have one, the BF is the way to go. They sell for about $2,000 less than the Bomb or the Pol.

The second is the fwd system. This is a biggy because each company uses very different systems. The Bomb uses visco-lok. The shortfall of this system is that the front axles lock and unlock as the front tires change speed. For example, you lose traction, it locks, you slow down, it unlocks, you add power, it locks again. This system has some peculiar characteristics that Bomb doesn't want you to know about. It makes clanking noises as it locks and unlocks, it can cause unusual driving characteristics as power shifts from one to two front tires, and the system has not endured the test of time. The Polaris system has a locker in the transmission. When the front tires are not moving at the same speed as the rear tires, the system sends power to the front axles. The front axle locks automatically. The problem with this system is that you never really have it in fwd. When you shift it into fwd, you are really just allowing it to use fwd when it detects the need. The Kawi is the only manufacturer of the three that has a true locking front axle. It is controlled by a lever on the handlebars and is variable. If you want to be in control, the Kawi system is the best. If you want the machine to be in control, look at the others.

The Kawi system is shift on the fly. Some people think that means you can wait until you are stuck, have the rear tires spinning at 30 mph and throw it into fwd. The shock of doing this will break the front diff. I shift mine into fwd while moving all of the time and it works great, no clanks, no grinding, etc. All of the tires need to be moving at the same speed so that there is no shock to the drive train. Makes sense, right...

Third, how important is EFI to you? Kawi doesn't have it. The others do.

Now add on the the personal stuff. I think Pols are butt ugly. I think the Bombs are over priced.

I was able to buy a BF in silver with 27" xtr's on 14" ITP c7's, the winch (installed) and the 4 year extended warranty for under $8,000 OTD. To that I have added the VDI copperhead (incredible) for $350.

For the money, I don't think you can beat the BF750i.

If you are looking at a KFX 700 I would look at what you are getting for your money. Resale on the BF is going to be much better. Unless you live near Glamis or some other sport bike magnet, the KFX is going to be a tank to sell used.