I know I'll get thrashed for this but you get what you pay for. Thats why for now I am sticking with the big boys.

 

Well, I used to think the same way.. and will admit that the container units have earned their reputation, one disgruntled owner at a time... but they have been responsible for introducing a great number of new riders to our sport that would not necessarily have jumped in if they had to buy one of the big boys right off the bat.

I have stated before that I have always suspected this whole deal to be a way for the big boys to get someone hooked, knowing that they will get frustrated and move up to a more reliable machine... and the fact that in many ways, the cheap knockoffs are being made under license to the big boys sort of proves my point.. but I have to admit I love a conspiracy theory as much as the next guy.

The issue right here, right now is how to determine what is wrong, and how to get them back running again... without being judgmental.

I know this is stating the obvious.. but have you checked and confirmed the big three yet? Air, Fuel, and spark... Once you have that, you can go to things like compression etc... I will say though that if the battery is low, you might get a weak spark... but not one strong enough to fire up the mixture.... Just a thought.

 

Draggin I'm glad you have signed back on to keep me in check[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]

 

Thanks... I am in a holding pattern right now, and the Doctor hasn't decided when he should do the surgery.. so until then, I am back. I promise not to crack that whip too hard...

 

What I should have said was take it to a good shop that isn't a dealer, they are usally smaller in size and want your buisness.

 

Cook4Andy you ever get it running?

 

Uhhhh, I really don't agree with that. Many people that get these entry level machines are people that have no one to guide them away from inevitable disappontment. If they don't know about how bad these machines are, they are likely to be turned off by the whole ordeal and turn to another recreation that isn't as costly. You can easily find good quality used major brand rides for what a new low quality quad will cost.

The notion that Honda has sold the rights to their patents, tooling and engineering designs is an urban myth. I've heard this for years and have never been able to substantiate this with Honda or anyone else. The reason many engines and designs look like Hondas is because the 3rd world or communist govermemnts like in China do not recognize or honor any international commerce laws. You can get a copy of Windows XP for 5 bucks! A inexpensive "bootleg copy" of the popular Jeep Cherokee is sold in China that the "real" manufacturer has not been able to stop them from making. These countries are the source of things like $5 Rolexs too. I guess Rolex sold them rights to produce that stuff because they needed the money or competition.

Many people will read these posts looking for information prior to making a purchase. It is important that the truth be laid out for everyone to see. While helping these folks resolve their numerous problems, a healthy discussion of what is wrong won't hurt anyone! Although this post is looking for help getting it running again, it also gives great insight into the major issue of the absense of a real dealer network or a national service organization. What good is a warranty when there is no one to stand behind it.

I have seen low compression reading on these smaller engines as a result of the type of compression gauges being used. The percentage of volume lost in the hoses that go between the gauge and the head is far greater on these small engines as compared to higher displacement engine. In other words, a gauge thjet reads 5PSI lower than actual on a 400cc motor might read 30PSI lower on a small displacement engine.

Althought it is often impossible to find someone with an identical no-brand quad, if you could find one you could compare settings and readings such as compression and carb adjustments. Also, swapping of parts is always an easy way to trouble shoot.

I had one of my kids quads (Honda TRX90) quit running and after months of trying this and that and then fully rebuilding the top end with no success, I had a friend look at it. He had it running in minutes. I had an identical quad and tried everything but I never swapped the carb. It turns out the kids had seen me adjust the idle screw to get one warmed up while I was getting the other quads going. (As dad and ride leader, I have to make sure everyone gets up and running) When they attempted to idle it down without me, they screwed the air screw (wrong screw) all they way in until it quit running. They never admitted doing it. After correcting this "minor" issue, the thing ran perfect. If I had tried swapping parts before jumping to conclusions, I would have saved myself a nice chunk of change! Sometimes the failures are simple.