I guess I should have given the whole story. My buddy had bought one of those Kazuma 90cc bikes for his daughter. I had heard stories about them constantly breaking down.Didnt believe it until he started having trouble with it within the first two weeks. And of course he doen't know how to spin a wrench to save his life. The dealer was no help , so I get stuck working on it(thats what buddies are for). So far , I had to JB weld the fuel tank because it cracked along the seam, Tighten the rear sprocket up(bolts came loose) , clean the carb(tiny a## carb) , trace a bad ground wire. This has all took place within the past month with very little ride time. The ground wire issue was from yesterday. So, maybe Chinese bike is good if you like working on stuff . I just don't think its a bike for someone that can't wrench. I know there is good Chinese bike out there, but the one my buddy got is a P.O.S.

 

I know there is good Chinese bike out there,

if you find one let us know, but at this time i don't think so.

 

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: billl2099

I know there is good Chinese bike out there,



if you find one let us know, but at this time i don't think so.</end quote></div>

LOL, no thanks !!! Ill stick with the name brands.[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]

 

I really thought Jetmoto was going to be that big step up in quality over the other Chinese quads. After months of test riding may different Chinese brands and seeing the design of the 07 Jets I thought hey this may be the one that will stand above the others. It truly is much more stable then 95% of them I have rode (we are yet to roll any one of the 4 of the Jets we own) and I do give them an A for design upgrade from the last years models and better then most the other Chinese brands. They still have a lot of build quality problems (QC and testing does not appear to be being preformed here or in China) and I have a real issue with all the rubber parts which are degrading way premature. I think if Jet would make these same units with out major changes for several years to come only fixing the known and obvious problems in two years I think they could have a decent product and I think the only real added expense would be better rubber and plastic which would add a bit to the cost. So far all 4 motors have been good runners and seem to be of a good build quality, just wish the Motor manufacture would build their own quad using their same build quality and that I think that would be a good Chinese quad!

 

Im sure they will eventually get it right --- I guess they can't be that bad since you own four of them. I know this , that Kazuma my buddy has is crap, nobody will change my opinion on it. Quality from Chinese bikes will only improve if consumers start complaining more , then again , if quality improves , the price will surely go up.

 

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>I think the only real added expense would be better rubber and plastic which would add a bit to the cost.</end quote></div>Hey, I'm a few months behind you as a JM rider, so time will tell how many different problems I encounter.

There are three critical and fundamental factors involved with buying a Chinese quad.

** Substandard raw materials
First you must understand the raw materials are not the same quality as proven brands, nor is the finished parts of the same quality.

** Substandard finished parts and components
Obviously, the finished part's quality is inherently compromised using lesser quality raw materials. Production line equipment, techniques, and labor skills are also contributing factors to lesser quality parts.

** Substandard Quality Control
It seems these things are just put together with parts that are not QC'd, nor are there intermediate or final build QC checks. This results in the product being shipped to a customer with something that is almost guaranteed to have some type of problem right away or after some short time on the quad.

Knowing these three critical factors ensures you will have a substandard product compared to a big name unit. That said, there are things you can do to mitigate many of the potential problems. You must be very attuned to inspecting, diagnosing, and fixing all problems as they arise. An occasional rattle, left unheeded, can lead to an expensive and potentially hazardous problem. And with a Chinese quad, there will be many of such instances.

My advice to anyone going this route must:

1) have the skills to wrench on them and have good "motor sense" to where it is almost second nature to pick up on problems as they first start up;

2) have the willingness, patience, and understanding that a Chinese quad is going to take more time to maintain and keep in good running order;

3) understand the inherent substandard weakness throughout the bike and that will always keep you more busy adjusting and replacing parts than a name brand.

4) and finally, you get what you pay for. If you sign up for the above you are able to ride a quad for a quarter or a third of a name brand. If the trade off is worth it by all means go for it; otherwise run as fast you can to some other sport or the bank to get a loan to buy a name brand. :-)

 

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: outofline

I really thought Jetmoto was going to be that big step up in quality over the other Chinese quads. After months of test riding may different Chinese brands and seeing the design of the 07 Jets I thought hey this may be the one that will stand above the others. It truly is much more stable then 95% of them I have rode (we are yet to roll any one of the 4 of the Jets we own) and I do give them an A for design upgrade from the last years models and better then most the other Chinese brands. They still have a lot of build quality problems (QC and testing does not appear to be being preformed here or in China) and I have a real issue with all the rubber parts which are degrading way premature. I think if Jet would make these same units with out major changes for several years to come only fixing the known and obvious problems in two years I think they could have a decent product and I think the only real added expense would be better rubber and plastic which would add a bit to the cost. So far all 4 motors have been good runners and seem to be of a good build quality, just wish the Motor manufacture would build their own quad using their same build quality and that I think that would be a good Chinese quad!</end quote></div>

That being said.Do you really think that the price for the Jetmotos are valid compaired to the compitition?I have had my Hi-bird since June and I can honestly say no problems as of yet besides the carb adjusting when I first got it.And when I first joined this site The responses were that Jetmoto is the best product comming out of China.I don't know if I agree with that.I think I would put my wifes Roketa ATV56-A 150 out there as one of the best quality Chines bikes.It is built much better then the HI-Bird.
I think I would agree that Raceway is a dedicated dealer and they seems to be very customer oriented and that is important for this market.

 

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: windtrader

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>I think the only real added expense would be better rubber and plastic which would add a bit to the cost.</end quote></div>Hey, I'm a few months behind you as a JM rider, so time will tell how many different problems I encounter.



There are three critical and fundamental factors involved with buying a Chinese quad.



** Substandard raw materials

First you must understand the raw materials are not the same quality as proven brands, nor is the finished parts of the same quality.



** Substandard finished parts and components

Obviously, the finished part's quality is inherently compromised using lesser quality raw materials. Production line equipment, techniques, and labor skills are also contributing factors to lesser quality parts.



** Substandard Quality Control

It seems these things are just put together with parts that are not QC'd, nor are there intermediate or final build QC checks. This results in the product being shipped to a customer with something that is almost guaranteed to have some type of problem right away or after some short time on the quad.



Knowing these three critical factors ensures you will have a substandard product compared to a big name unit. That said, there are things you can do to mitigate many of the potential problems. You must be very attuned to inspecting, diagnosing, and fixing all problems as they arise. An occasional rattle, left unheeded, can lead to an expensive and potentially hazardous problem. And with a Chinese quad, there will be many of such instances.



My advice to anyone going this route must:



1) have the skills to wrench on them and have good "motor sense" to where it is almost second nature to pick up on problems as they first start up;



2) have the willingness, patience, and understanding that a Chinese quad is going to take more time to maintain and keep in good running order;



3) understand the inherent substandard weakness throughout the bike and that will always keep you more busy adjusting and replacing parts than a name brand.



4) and finally, you get what you pay for. If you sign up for the above you are able to ride a quad for a quarter or a third of a name brand. If the trade off is worth it by all means go for it; otherwise run as fast you can to some other sport or the bank to get a loan to buy a name brand. :-)</end quote></div>

That was very well put!! I think most people are not aware of the quality they are getting when the buy a Chinese bike. They see a bike that is 2-3 times cheaper than the brand name, thinking that the quality is near the same.

 

Her Chee Trailblazer90 2-stroke...says Adly on various controls. Great little atv. Exactly the same machine under the plastic that BRP was selling (for 3x the price) as their DS90 and DS50. Can get any parts from Can-Am dealer. When I insured it (required here to ride on public land), the papers came back listing it as a Bombardier due to the serial#

 

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: Honeyduck96

Her Chee Trailblazer90 2-stroke...says Adly on various controls. Great little atv. Exactly the same machine under the plastic that BRP was selling (for 3x the price) as their DS90 and DS50. Can get any parts from Can-Am dealer. When I insured it (required here to ride on public land), the papers came back listing it as a Bombardier due to the serial#</end quote></div>

That is a Taiwan based company ---majority of mini quads built there(Taiwan) for the big name manufactures. Kymco builds the 07-08 Kawi 50/90. Kymco brand is cheaper by a few hundred dollars or more.