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Old Sep 1, 2005 | 04:09 PM
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Originally posted by: BrigitPheonix
The point trx is not that either species has more value than another....it is that they are both essential. The environment does more for humans than we all realize (this is called ecosystem services), and by putting some arbitrary 'value' on any species undermines most things. Just because society at this point puts a phenomenally higher value on human life than any other species does not mean that it is correct. The only reason a fireman would rush into a building and save a human as opposed to saving a slug from a forest fire is because other humans are emotionally tied to that human. But this is not the point.... As I have said before, both sides need to put aside their stereotypes of one another and realize that their are extremists on both sides, but these extremists are the minority and are not the ones affecting change. Even some of what you all would deem 'extreme environmentalists' realize that a complete reversion back to total wilderness is not possible, because it could (and most certainly would) perhaps lead to our extinction (but as we are going on our current trajectory we are headed there anyway). So herein lies the problem: There are so many different species out there that we don't know all they are doing to keep our current ecosystems functioning, and people want to look at all these species as less valuable than humans. When a species dies off, it leaves a hole in the ecosystem that can not be filled (unless by an invasive species which would cause the decimation of yet another species) and eventually the ecosystem collapses. I could go into specific examples, but that could take days. So here's the take home message: humans are stupid and don't fully grasp all that nature does for us and we are destroying it at the same rate we are coming to understand it. I'm not asking people to live in caves, just think about how we are affecting our world around us.
Humans are stupid??? Yes there are a lot of humans that are stupid but there are a lot that are not stupid too. And i dont know everything that nature does for us but I know its important. Im not stupid because i dont know everything about nature. Thats no reason for somebody to be stupid. And about the firemen thing, he goes in there to save a human life because yes there is somebody emotionally connected to that person which is another reason why humans are of more importance and value than another species. Animals and insects do not have emotions they dont think that way. They have no feelings like a human does. So no not all humans are stupid, and yes humans are more important and are of more value.
 
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Old Sep 2, 2005 | 03:17 AM
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She wasn't trying to say you're stupid by any means. But, just because humans can feel more emotions than animals doesn't mean we are essential or more valuable for keeping the ecosystem clean and in balance. Thats really how these environmentalists are judging value anyways.
 
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Old Sep 2, 2005 | 06:58 AM
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I am lost here... I can't seem to draw a connection between slugs and environmental issues related to the ATV industry.... Does that make me plain stupid, or just a slug?

I do feel kinda slimy all over now though, after entering this fray.... Please be careful with the salt... But I am more happy being describred as a Rolly Polly

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Old Sep 2, 2005 | 02:38 PM
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The meaning of 'humans are stupid' is that in relation to the genius of nature we are stupid. Not that literally we have no intelligence. And this thread was started as just a rant on environmentalists. It wasn't really specific to the industry, however, it seems to me that it should be fairly easy to link slugs with the ATV industry. Slugs (or any species) --> ATVs --> habitat destruction --> loss of slugs (or your other species) --> loss of ecosystem services. That wasn't exactly my point, but I thought I'd draw a picture.
 
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Old Sep 2, 2005 | 08:59 PM
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I agree that the problem is they have alot of people considered high social status, they are very well organized and have financial backing like a rockafella (sp). They also have power by numbers. ughhhh its making my head spin thinking of this losing battle that we are fighting. We need an upper hand and quick.
 
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Old Sep 2, 2005 | 09:15 PM
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Granola eaters[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-mad.gif[/img]
 
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Old Sep 22, 2005 | 01:34 PM
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to all the enviromentalists out there lets see ya try to wipe your a$$es on a piece of plastic...[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]
 
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Old Sep 22, 2005 | 02:21 PM
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I'd pay money to see that.... Or eat their granola cereal and Tofu with their fingers.
 
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Old Oct 6, 2005 | 11:06 AM
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Ha!!! Man i hate hippies!!!! I think we all just need to make sure we dont trash the woods. Some people think its the local dump and leave all their trash there. If we all made sure trash was picked up the hippies couldnt really have the grounds to b***ch about anything. Did i mention that i hate hippies?
 
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Old Oct 6, 2005 | 11:28 AM
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I agree.. All it takes is people to demonstrate a little persoanl responsibility. I know we rag on kids trashing the place, and making a general nuiscence of themselves.. but they have to learn it somewhere. It is a product of poor parenting I suspect, and either they will correct the problem through peer pressure, or through closure of lands once used... either way, we all learn to become part of the mainstream eventually....
 
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