Originally Posted by Dragginbutt

As owner of this thread let me jump back in. Engine size was the question, and I just answered it myself. I used to advocate that 500 CC's was enough. I have had a change in heart. I am now the proud owner of two, yes TWO new can-ams. And Mrs DB ALSO has a new machine in the shed. Reasons are many. And although I could have gone the maxed out 1000 CC's route, I didn't. I settled for two 850 Can-Ams. One a Renegade 850 X XC. And a 850 Commander X MR. And Mrs DB got a new Commander X MR 570. I bought the 850 X MR for me because I use the crap out of my old Honda Rubicon around the house. And on occasion, I skid 30 ft logs with it and have gotten stuck with it. Well, I really like the monster mud tires for traction in leafy hillsides. Places where the honda would have trouble, I can blow through it no problem. I got the renegade as a replacement for my Yamaha Raptor, and it will be my trail ride machine. Not that the mud machine would not handle trail riding, but well, it was there, and I had my checkbook out.... and it was all pretty and all, and it sort of called my name in a low soothing voice.... or maybe that was MRS DB wanting me to look at the 570 X MR. While listening to her go on about the 570, I kept staring at the Renegade, and well let's just say, I got a package deal along with a ton of accessories. (I also had to order a new trailer to haul them) Sneaky SOB ain't I? Oh and I found out that Keystone makes a really nice new toyhauler that has a 16 ft garage in it with a king bed too... but I'll have to wait on that for a while if I truly intend to retire at some point. So right now I am waiting for the accessories to come in. I sprung for the tracks too. As I intend to push snow with it this Winter up at the cabin. Which just might be our full time home if things work out.... (Wisconsin) Anywho... my wallet needs a rest, and I am stuck working for at least another couple years while I figure out a way to pay for a new truck and toy hauler to haul them around the country on a more or less full time basis. And no, I kept the Rubicon, and Mrs DB's Grizzly. Just in case our kids want to tag along once in a while. So although I am a hypocrite now and broke my own rules. Yeah, I have drank the kool aide of bigger is better. But know this, I resisted the urge to go all the way to 1000 CC's. I am too old to use all that HP anyway. Anyway, that power steering is SWEET. Still breaking them in. Sure hope Mrs DB is OK on hers. It is way more machine than her 450 Griz. If any of you recall, when she bought HER 450 Griz, she had a serious heart attack two days later and wasn't able to ride for nearly 6 months. Her first ride was her CPSC training class, which I highly recommend to anyone starting out. These machines ARE heavy though. probably 250 lbs more than the old ones. But once rolling they more than give me a very pleasant ride. We both like the radiators mounted up high on the front racks too on the X MR's. I have winches on all 3 of them too. The Renegade is just a dream. A little lighter than the X MR. Handles very well. AND NO, none of the kids are going to ride my new toys. These are daddy's and Moms. They can buy their own.

Originally Posted by TLC

The trail the connects that road to that river is what I would be interested in. Where people stopped they could get hit by a logging truck or a taxis cab.

Originally Posted by HawkeyeRider

I definitely don't think people should be restricted/limited to a specific engine size. People should be allowed to spend their cash on the toy they want.

Originally Posted by TLC

If you are riding in conditions a minivan can follow you. then you are not really ATVing.
I have friends that want to ride on wide smooth logging roads at 50 mph that a corvette sting ray could handle , that's not ATVing.

Here is a ATV trail ride photo (top) the (below) photo is a road that you use to get to a trail to unload your ATV.

When you can ride a steady 40 mph ,your on a dirt road not a bush trail so you might as well just leave your ATV in the box of the truck and listen to music with the AC on .

Originally Posted by greg74

Just get out and ride somewhere, that's the fun of owning an atv or utv or any offroad vehicle.