3.5 trillion---+
#11
There is plenty of blame to go around. How to fix it is what we need to focus on. Americans have been spoiled for a long time now. Instant gratification is the road to failure (IMO) and we as a nation need to start saving our money before we run out and buy that new car or boat or ATV.
We have fallen into the keep up with the Jone's mentality and think that since they have one, we DESERVE one too! We don't deserve squat!! Save the money and then if you still want that new (whatever) go get it! Then for your hard work and for saving the money, you do deserve it!
Will Americans do this? I doubt it. But a few will and I hope you are one of them.
As far as the current administration goes, they don't get it at all.SPENDING your way out of debt won't work! Company's that are failing should go into bankruptcy, restructure, and try again.
I,m not a cold hearted guy, I understand that many jobs would be cut and I feel sorry for those folks that are in that position. WE are FREE to fail as well as to succeed!
We have fallen into the keep up with the Jone's mentality and think that since they have one, we DESERVE one too! We don't deserve squat!! Save the money and then if you still want that new (whatever) go get it! Then for your hard work and for saving the money, you do deserve it!
Will Americans do this? I doubt it. But a few will and I hope you are one of them.

As far as the current administration goes, they don't get it at all.SPENDING your way out of debt won't work! Company's that are failing should go into bankruptcy, restructure, and try again.
I,m not a cold hearted guy, I understand that many jobs would be cut and I feel sorry for those folks that are in that position. WE are FREE to fail as well as to succeed!
Last edited by rancher55; Apr 4, 2009 at 08:19 PM.
#12
Ranch....Agree with most of what you are saying here aside from the quote above. The problem is....these companies are so big that failure (bankruptcy is a death sentence for a corporation, large or small) would lead to regional failures of mass proportions. Who's going to pay for the schools, the roads, the infrastructure, the jails.....it will end up on the Feds and cost untolled more billions. Whole economies are based on these giants. AIG is too big to fail. It can't fail, or the whole damn thing comes down around the globe.
We lose GM and Crysler or Ford and end up in a major war.....where is our manufacturing base? Where are the skilled workers?...Gone. From a national security standpoint, it's suicide. This is why every little developing nation around the globe is so desperate for an auto industry. Bankruptcy is not a simple matter of restructuring and canceling debt.
-Nobody I know got a second mortgage and went to France for the summer.
We lose GM and Crysler or Ford and end up in a major war.....where is our manufacturing base? Where are the skilled workers?...Gone. From a national security standpoint, it's suicide. This is why every little developing nation around the globe is so desperate for an auto industry. Bankruptcy is not a simple matter of restructuring and canceling debt.
-Nobody I know got a second mortgage and went to France for the summer.
#13
We as a nation were already in debt close to $11.5 trillion! With the budget about to be passed the debt will increase to roughly $15 trillion, around a 25% increase, all of that within the first 4 mo. of his term in office!
Where is the reduced spending that he promised during his campaign?
All I can say is that it's just another broken promise!
What about the promise that there wouldn't be any more earmarks? The budget is full of them!--Broken promise!
Where is the reduced spending that he promised during his campaign?
All I can say is that it's just another broken promise!
What about the promise that there wouldn't be any more earmarks? The budget is full of them!--Broken promise!
#14
We as a nation were already in debt close to $11.5 trillion! With the budget about to be passed the debt will increase to roughly $15 trillion, around a 25% increase, all of that within the first 4 mo. of his term in office!
Where is the reduced spending that he promised during his campaign?
All I can say is that it's just another broken promise!
What about the promise that there wouldn't be any more earmarks? The budget is full of them!--Broken promise!
Where is the reduced spending that he promised during his campaign?
All I can say is that it's just another broken promise!
What about the promise that there wouldn't be any more earmarks? The budget is full of them!--Broken promise!
The spending cuts have not been made yet. Yes the spending looks bad now, and it is bad. But the cuts take longer than the spending. You cannot just make cuts without first convincing Congress that the cuts need to be made and that take longer because you have to prove to deal with the people getting the money you are about to take away. There will be cuts.
As far as the earmarks, well Obama has continued to say he wants them gone. The problem is Congress, and in this case the Republicans mostly, added in earmarks to ride on the new budget. They were doing the typical DC bull-crap in saying "well if I cannot get my way I'm going to take advantage" this has been the MO of DC for decades. Obama admitted that the earmarks were there, he did not try to hide them. He just said it was an evil they had to work through slowly because of these old habits.
The spending looks bad, but they did the same thing during the Great Depression. Obama is not really doing anything so radical that it has not been done before. Whether or not it has the desired results we shall see.
#16
There is plenty of blame to go around. How to fix it is what we need to focus on. Americans have been spoiled for a long time now. Instant gratification is the road to failure (IMO) and we as a nation need to start saving our money before we run out and buy that new car or boat or ATV.
We have fallen into the keep up with the Jone's mentality and think that since they have one, we DESERVE one too! We don't deserve squat!! Save the money and then if you still want that new (whatever) go get it! Then for your hard work and for saving the money, you do deserve it!
Will Americans do this? I doubt it. But a few will and I hope you are one of them.
As far as the current administration goes, they don't get it at all.SPENDING your way out of debt won't work! Company's that are failing should go into bankruptcy, restructure, and try again.
I,m not a cold hearted guy, I understand that many jobs would be cut and I feel sorry for those folks that are in that position. WE are FREE to fail as well as to succeed!
We have fallen into the keep up with the Jone's mentality and think that since they have one, we DESERVE one too! We don't deserve squat!! Save the money and then if you still want that new (whatever) go get it! Then for your hard work and for saving the money, you do deserve it!
Will Americans do this? I doubt it. But a few will and I hope you are one of them.

As far as the current administration goes, they don't get it at all.SPENDING your way out of debt won't work! Company's that are failing should go into bankruptcy, restructure, and try again.
I,m not a cold hearted guy, I understand that many jobs would be cut and I feel sorry for those folks that are in that position. WE are FREE to fail as well as to succeed!
#17
Therein lies the problem.......One cannot expect to track Chinese subs "off the coast of China" and not expect some kind of retaliation. These were a bunch of guys in fishing boats and our sub tracking ship (pulling a sonar buoy) was shooting them with water cannons....washing them off their decks. The sounds of it are pretty funny, but I'm sure it wasn't funny at the time. I guess they were naked and still fighting and throwing dead fish at the boat. Wasn't exactly an "international incident".
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#19
Therein lies the problem.......One cannot expect to track Chinese subs "off the coast of China" and not expect some kind of retaliation. These were a bunch of guys in fishing boats and our sub tracking ship (pulling a sonar buoy) was shooting them with water cannons....washing them off their decks. The sounds of it are pretty funny, but I'm sure it wasn't funny at the time. I guess they were naked and still fighting and throwing dead fish at the boat. Wasn't exactly an "international incident".
I'm sure the sailors and soldiers on the USS Cole thought that boat coming at them looked pretty harmless too.
#20
What does this statement have anything to do with my comments anyway. It doesn't even make sense. What does looking harmless have anything to do with it? What don't you understand about the fact that it was the South China Sea just off their coast. The question is not whether or not the Chinese response was appropriate. What the hell did they have it operating without an escort. You just have to bank on the fact that it will happen when you're that close. -Likely they were doing some mapping, as claimed.






