I was once a member of Operation Rescue. My job among others was to keep our people in line. I can tell you that in the dozens of rescues we did there was not a single instance of violence from our crowd. On the other hand, the head of the National Orginization of Woman in Mass. decked my wife. I saw our people kicked, bones dislocated, personally spit on and kicked, cracked ribs, and other injuries. The groups that were on the "opposition" were Queer Nation, Act Up, NOW, Lennist Marxist groups, and other pro-abortion groups. Beyond that, we have "environmental" groups torching car dealerships, spiking trees (many woodworkers have been injured), rioting in the streets every time there is G8? meeting, burning medical labs, and in extreme cases sending letter bombs. I don't dismiss the 2 instances of abortion doctors or staff being shot. One happened here in Massachusetts (he committed suicide in prison) and the other of a doctor who did 3rd term abortions. Think his name was Tiller. The people who felt they can take their lives were misled at best. But, most of the violence I've seen has been from the extreme left, not the extreme right (I do consider myself in this category). The only rally I saw with gun owners with side arms present was at a 2nd Amendment rally in Arizona a legal distance down the street from where Obama was speaking. What's wrong with that? It's the kind of political speech the 1st Amendment allowed. Interestingly, MSNBC said it was racist and showed an AR-15 being carried by one of the members of the rally. What they didn't show was the man carrying the AR-15 was in fact black. I don't watch Beck every night but nothing he's said or done has caused any riots that I've seen. It has caused a lot more people to think about the origins of the Constitution and our Founding Fathers. Amazon.com's top 25 list last week contained 17 books about the Founding Fathers, the Christian underpinnings of our nation, and the Constitution. EEEEEEEK! Run and hide. They've got books! JK I've seen the kind of riots Jesse Jackson, and Al Sharpton can get going. Beck has a lot of catching up to do if that is his goal. The simple truth is you'll have nut-jobs on either side of the coin. But the average tea party rally contains a cross section of this nation that is made up of more people like you and I than the average PETA meeting. Just my .02 worth.

 

I applaud him for doing what Bush and he should have been doing all along. As long as they have the freedom to fire upon armed individuals. There have been too many cases of Border Patrol agents whose lives have been in jeopardy that were charged with a crime for shooting illegal aliens or the drug dealers bringing in narcotics. If they are not allowed to defend the border why send them? Time will tell. I just can't blame the people of AZ for being fed up and essentially, adding local law enforcement to the US laws already on the books. Spending on the other wars is needed if we are actually going to go after the people who threaten our peaceful way of life and our lives themselves. Border enforcement is right up there with that in my mind. If it's for security I'm all for the spending. If it's for political posturing it makes me ill. I can't find it but one of the news stations had a listing of the nationalities of people caught on the Mexican border in 2009. There were dozens of them that were from nations that sponsor terrorism and other suspect nations.

 

Maybe he was ranting but Saddam Hussein did threaten to "unleash weapons of mass destruction on the West". The Untited Nations (I'm honestly not too fond of it) did believe that there were chemical weapons in Iraq up to the time and after the time they got kicked out of Iraq. Clinton and Gore also believed this to be true if you look at their speeches up to the time they left office. Something like 160 Metric Tons of yellow cake uranium WAS taken out of Iraq after the main part of the war and was sold to Canada to be used in their nuclear power plants. I don't remember the exact number of warheads this could be used for but it was enough to call it a national security issue. I do wish they'd get out to there now and let the Iraqis govern themselves. I say to the troops in Afghanistan, keep hunting the terrorists and keep them on the run. The war on terror started decades ago whether we like it or not. We've got to defend ourselves. The radical Islamists are patient and will keep trying. The terrorist in NY a few weeks ago was, fortunetly not too bright. If it was a more skilled operative there would have been many dead Americans.

 

The spending, the spinning of it all will go on forever.

Until someone in charge has the gonads to actually say, "Hey, we already have laws on the books, and I'm going to enforce them".

 

Exactly. Arizona's frustration is being on the receiving end of an unenforced or under-enforced federal law and it's citizens are paying the price for the lack. I don't live on a border state and don't want to. My sister lived in one of the border towns and got fed up. Not everyone can just pack up and leave. If you are a US citizen you shouldn't have to for this reason.

 

Does kind of make me wonder if Hillary is gonna step up to the plate and loan out Bill's.

 

Hi Moose,

And to all else (Scooter et. al),

I don't actually undestand. Are you saying more government or less? Make more laws, just the ones I want, but be smaller? That is a conundrum of the highest possible regard? Be smaller, be Reagan, but DO NOT stop over legislating? Moose, you live in the most over legislated state in the US IMO. Mine is probabaly a close 2nd though (NJ). Reagan didn't mean this. Agree or disagree, he was a real smaller government person, hell, just look at his high court nominations. This is a real ideological president not a ***** to the latest shock jock theme show. And I am no Reagan fan policy wise, just respect his vision and charisma.

Wanting a less government but more social regulation of "the mores I subscribe to" is truly oxymoronic and clearly NOT conservative, other than from a ratings TV show perspective. Less government is LESS GOVERNMENT. I get your argument and it has its merits. Just stop confusing it with "add more government, but just the stuff I want government" part.

You have, AND SHOULD HAVE, every freakin right to be in "Operation Rescue." Agree or not, I'd be out in the street demonstrating for your right to be. See Voltaire...

And BTW, thanks for your civic participation. Whatever your perspective. We are not all enjoying our democracy enough IMO.

On another thread note... I don't care who is being portrayed as Hitler. Hate stuff is bad, period. Always. This is no joke, demonizing anyone is just wrong. No one people fit one single group... De-sensitizing us to hate toward a group of people can never be a good thing. Never.

 

QUOTE: the Feds are issuing a terror warning for the Texas-Mexico boarder.So at the same time that Janet Napoliano & the Home Land Security Agency are criticizing the new immigration law put in place in Arizona that could potentially catch terrorists as well as illegals, they now issue a terror warning stating that Somalian terrorists could be sneaking across the Mexican-US border. WHAT!!!
US immigration and national security are one issue. How the Obama Administration can be so derelict in their duties is beyond words.
You can’t have it both ways folks. Nice to see that Napolitano and DHS read the terror warning first.
DO YOUR JOB OBAMA AND PROTECT AMERICA!

FED Issue Terror Warning For Texas-Mexico Border, But Arizona Law is Misguided? | Scared Monkeys

 

The main gist of what I want the government to spend money on is simply national security. I believe wholeheartedly that the average US citizen will do fine without the governments help in just about every other area. National security is the only truly Constitutional reason for taxation. I loved Reagen too. I wish there were more like him. One other by-product of us going into Iraq was that Libya gave up weapons of mass destruction to the US shortly after we toppled the government there. Not sure if someone in the Bush administration said, "You're next", or not but Gadafi may have seen the writing on the wall. Very little press when this happened...

On the activism front, I'm not a demonstrator in the least. I write letters, send email, make phone calls, but don't consider myself a demonstrator. The reason we can is the Constitutional guarantee to peacefully assemble for redress of grievences. The demonization of the Tea Party and how it is ridiculed makes me wonder how afraid some politcians are of an educated voter.

I've seen comparisons of Hitler's methodology and Obama's and there things that need to be brought out. Especially when you look into his cabinet member's views. This is, again, bringing out what they themselves have said in speeches, and in writing.

 

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Confused?

"On the other hand, the head of the National Orginization of Woman in Mass. decked my wife. I saw our people kicked, bones dislocated, personally spit on and kicked, cracked ribs, and other injuries."

This certainly made me think you were a "demonstator." I thought it would be a source of pride? Heck, grandmothers and mothers in Chile just wouldn't stop "demonstrating" about their loved being missing or detained for years and it ultimately worked and was a huge part of the ouster of the torturous Pinochet regime. It is critically important.

"I've seen comparisons of Hitler's methodology and Obama's and there things that need to be brought out. Especially when you look into his cabinet member's views. This is, again, bringing out what they themselves have said in speeches, and in writing."

Obama's cabinet members want to exterminate 6 million jews? I'll take this as sarcasm. Anything else is just too depressing to deal with. Bush, Obama, I don't care, this is a dangerous and horrific comparison. The thought of people actually taking it seriously is horrifying.

I know a PhD and liturgical scholar of the highest order (very well). He will, to make a point, offer people 2 passages and ask which is from the bible. They always guess wrong. When he turns the book over they guessed was the bible it is Mein Kampf. He does this just to make a point that pretty much anything can be made to sound like anything. So be careful, that is his message.

So LOL.