Also, if you feel the need to have this thread removed then please do. This will further expose the truth about your bias.

 

I have no idea what thread was removed or why but I will give my opinion on this one. For one it has nothing to do with ATV's so if one of us feels like removing it we will. Second, if it was anything like the way this one is headed I can understand why it was removed. Politics is a very controversial topic and almost always ends up in name calling and heated exchanges that really have no place in the forums. If it stays civil we leave it, if not it gets removed. Simple as that. If you feel that is bigotry, great and good for you. If need be you can refer to the FAQ page, specifically 1.1- #7 and 1.3.

 

I know what this forum is to be used for. Some of the comments I have seen here were out of line. After a certain point I posted back against them. If a mod chooses to remove the threads because of content I do understand the reason why.

Looking at what another mod posted would reason a bias. If a mod engages in political discussion it will lead where it is taken. If politics of this nature are too controversial then a fair minded mod would delete or modify the post as inappropriate. He wouldn’t engage and disparage.

 

I don't see any bias stated by another mod. I see a question that appears in jest maybe.?
maddog56 isn't a mod if you are referring to his posts or him removing a previous thread.

 

I hope I dont get into any BS here since its looking to be a little heated, but I wanted to make a point about discussing liberals, and why it really is appropiate for an ATV forum.

First just to be clear I didnt see the other thread, have no idea what happened in it, and this is the first I have heard of it. So my comments are just on this thread etc.

If we want to continue to enjoy our sport, and have legal places to ride, and not have the situation like we have here in NJ all over the country where your hunted like a criminal and have a good chance of being injured (or your chlidren) just because the state has made so many back door deals to their political contributors on how what little remaining open land will be used, and now see's us as little more than a nuiance and source of income (the fines are insane here)then we had better be educating ourselves about the political system, and just how many problems our sport will continue to see from many liberal legislators, and even the democratic party in general.

I am not saying that the republicans are a bargain either because there not, but unless there is open discussion on these subjects how will many riders learn that the lying SOB their father, union, school or who ever is telling them to vote for is the same guy who is working with the sierra club to shut down your favorite ride area.

If you look at it this way its not only a viable topic, but prob one of the more important ones.

JMHO [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]

 

Also I wont get into censoring because that always seems to get me into trouble [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]

 

Here is where much of my extreme worry comes from dealing with the democratic party. The hard line extreme liberals have taken the lead roles as voice and party issue stance. The group Vakero mentioned is not the entire list of " radical extremist ", Vakero you forgot Suzan Pulaski .

Here is the political difference between the republican view and the new lead democratic view.

The republican view on federal park land is we realize that people are just as important as the wild life and we can responsibly share a portion of the land together. Get out and enjoy it. Out of the millions of acres out there a very small portion is being used for trail systems and off road use. There is minimal impact to the inviorment when properly maintained trail systems are in function. In my region" the largest and only of it kind, " federal park with orv/ atv trail systems comprise of around 1 % of the acrage in that park. I feel we need to do a little better than that at several more park locations per state.


Now the democratic view on federal park land is quite different. Their views are pulled from the Serria Club and several hundered other enviromental extremists organizations that stipulate our wild life and the survival of it is a national treasure and therefore All efforts and actions warrent isolationizm as the best method to procure that.

What that means is they not only want to take away all orv and atv trail systems but you are not ever going to get anymore. The next step would be to not allow anybody in the park at all including going for a hike or walk, because that would disturb wild life equally. The next step would be to put barb wire fencing arround all park land.

That about sumes up the polictical view that pertains dirrectly to ORV and ATV trail system use to the public. The republicans say yes room to use and democats say no more use.

The democates want low level acheivers and a dumbed down environment to nurture to minds of the young so they will be easy to lead around and controll. So they can stay in power by taking away the freedoms of the peoples while telling you its good for you.

The republicans want the brightest young who will be the future of america and continue its economic strenth in the world and continue its fight for freedom.



Here is a good issue that republicans are fighting against which could apply to you.

The democratics have managed to push their local legisation to annex any property they want. Well annexation is not new and has always been there when they might need to remove a home or two to widen a road if it is the last resort to provide pubic service to the masses.

The democatics have once again extremely twisted that power to a new level never before thought. Now the have re-written the legislation in some areas to be fully able to annex any and all land however they want to take over large comunities. Then they give the home owner what ever the "developers tells them" is fair price and re-selles the land to big developers to do what they want like build a mall or a gated private water front resort. The democrates have figured out that they can raise the tax revenue by turning houses and its property into small sq ft condos and townhouses.

Take away a working families house to give it to the rich mans golf resort or developers choice pick for cheaply taken land where they want. That is the future of the democratic party so have you been a victom of the domcrats latey? You had better check your front door for a large orange poster.



Aaron

 

Well done!!!

Only thing I will question is the following because I honestly believe both parties are very, very guilty of this.

 

WOW! the first posts of this thread remind me of that episode on South Park in which all the town males turn homosexual because the migrants from the future keep taking all the jobs. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]
(they tuckarejubs!!) now that was some funny isht!

You think 4 years of the dumbest red neck ever to lead a powerful country would be enough? but noooo! the mighty crimson collars struck again and voted W for another four years. Guess ya'll wont be happy until we start paying $4 a gallon for gasoline. 4 more years 4 more years!!! woooo hooo! [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-disgusted.gif[/img][img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-frown.gif[/img]

 

Hey Dr that episode was freakin hysterical!!!

As far as the dem v rep thing goes I wouldnt bother getting myself so worked up over it since they are becoming pretty much the same anyhow. I mean both are parties that only are money is truely invited to, and I am honestly starting to believe they are really one group that uses two different colored doors to exit the room they use to figure out how to get over on the people.

I am not fond of how the oil companies were allowed to gouge us, but I also blame both parties for allowing it to happen, and even if you see the connection between gw and that industry I am still not able to understand why the supposed opposing party didnt have anything positive to add to the scenerio.

Also I would rather be paying more for fuel and have something to put it in, and a place to ride it than having no place to ride or no $$ due to supporting every social program etc.