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Old 05-06-2006 | 12:43 PM
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Our border with Canada is even longer. Throw in two ocean coastlines with a Caribbean sea and sealing the land border with Mexico is the easy part. Other countries who have felt illegal immigration was a problem implemented guest worker programs.
The only part of our borders presenting a problem is the Mexican border. I am more in favor of constucting a fence than patrolling our border. The construction could rely, in part, on prisoner labor. It would be great to use prisoners that have illegally crossed to construct this fence before they are deported. After the first fence has been constructed and slowed down the penetration of the border, a secondary fence should be constructed.

 
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Old 05-06-2006 | 12:44 PM
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So if we can't stop it, we should just throw our arms up in the air and say we SURRENDER.

It shouldn't be an All or Nothing situation. How bad do you think your states Meth problem would be if the Police just said "We give up" and stopped enforcing the drug laws?
AHHH..... Hello..... Is this on????

Look, you've got me quoting myself now. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]

Build a BIG WALL!!!!!!

PLEASE don't give me any more of your useless numbers about how it can't be done. The cost of a Wall will be more than justified compared to the price we will pay for allowing another 50 MILLION Mexicans sneak across the border.

 
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Old 05-06-2006 | 12:46 PM
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Our border with Canada is even longer. Throw in two ocean coastlines with a Caribbean sea and sealing the land border with Mexico is the easy part. Other countries who have felt illegal immigration was a problem implemented guest worker programs.
The only part of our borders presenting a problem is the Mexican border. I am more in favor of constucting a fence than patrolling our border. The construction could rely, in part, on prisoner labor. It would be great to use prisoners that have illegally crossed to construct this fence before they are deported. After the first fence has been constructed and slowed down the penetration of the border, a secondary fence should be constructed.
Or we could pay all of the ILEAGALS $5.00 an hour to build it for us. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]

That was a joke. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]
 
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Old 05-06-2006 | 12:47 PM
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A big part of the problem with the illegal immigration at the Mexican border, is drugs. It will be a lot harder for law enforcement in your area to find and bust indoor meth labs. Surveilance, warrants, etc., etc. At the border, they are crossing in the wide open. The expense of enforcing the laws there will be a lot cheaper than busting up meth labs in Oregon. There are no warrants required to bust illegals jumping the border. There are also volunteers willing to do most of the work for the gov't.
Vigilantes? I knew our quality of education has been declining, but didn't realize it had sunk that low. That's barely a step away from the KKK.
 
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Old 05-06-2006 | 01:05 PM
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PLEASE don't give me any more of your useless numbers about how it can't be done. The cost of a Wall will be more than justified compared to the price we will pay for allowing another 50 MILLION Mexicans sneak across the border.
You pay a lot of taxes and are willing to spring for the cost of a wall plus the social costs? No wonder you don't like numbers. A wall is no solution. A guest worker program is a solution.
 
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Old 05-06-2006 | 02:10 PM
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A GUEST workers program?!?!?! Who invited them over here?? I know I didn't, so why would we call them guests?? I think you got somethin' wrong in da head there, Georged! I agree, a wall won't stop them, just delay them, BUT 50 cal.s stationed fifty yards apart would put an end to our problem! I'm sure out of our thousands (millions maybe?) of gun manufacturers we could "scrounge" the sufficient amount of firepower to complete this task!! [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img][img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img][img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img] (I'm not serious by the way.... or am I?? tehe)
 
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Old 05-06-2006 | 02:57 PM
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Yes we do have the resources to seal the borders if we wanna get real about it....if fact big problems call for big solutions...every other country seems to have no problem ....if they wanna declare this there land and sing our songs in spanish we need to get real people
I've read some thorough evaluations of sealing our borders and the border with Mexico alone is way beyond reasonable capability. At 2000 miles, mostly isolated, that's 3,400,000 yards. The accepted distance for border choke points using electronic surveillance with belt-fed automatic weapons is 500 yards apart, 250-yard effective range on each side. 6800 choke points with four-man teams 24/7 is 61,200 combat troops, 122,400 with a weekly rotation factor. Support personnel for logistical requirements is calculated at two support to one combat, or 244,800. That's 367,200 troops, almost three times the number we have in Iraq. Building the choke points, regional bases to service them, ground and air transportation, prisoner holding centers/transportation not included.

Our border with Canada is even longer. Throw in two ocean coastlines with a Caribbean sea and sealing the land border with Mexico is the easy part. Other countries who have felt illegal immigration was a problem implemented guest worker programs.


See even an idiot can come up with a plan that may work....just need to have these guns run electronically (which could be done) and maybe use rubber bullets(at least the first shot)..LOL
 
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Old 05-06-2006 | 03:05 PM
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Originally posted by: Ginnis
A GUEST workers program?!?!?! Who invited them over here?? I know I didn't, so why would we call them guests?? I think you got somethin' wrong in da head there, Georged! I agree, a wall won't stop them, just delay them, BUT 50 cal.s stationed fifty yards apart would put an end to our problem! I'm sure out of our thousands (millions maybe?) of gun manufacturers we could "scrounge" the sufficient amount of firepower to complete this task!! [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img][img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img][img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img] (I'm not serious by the way.... or am I?? tehe)
It's very simple, they come to the US because we hire them to do jobs Americans consider beneath their station in life. Most of those jobs are advertised in the underground society by legal Americans. Want a dependable, hard-working house keeper, cleaning person, nanny, gardener, assembly worker, construction worker? Put the word out and you'll have almost immediate response. Casual labor for day work? Most cities have areas where you stop at a corner, pick up the number of workers you need, they do the work and you pay them. As long as the jobs are here, they'll keep coming as versus barely eating in their countries regardless of laws, fences, etc.

As the US continues its progression to a two-tiered society, the haves and have-nots, demand for inexpensive labor has outstripped the legal supply, primarily due to generous US unemployment and social programs for US citizens (the free ride). People who employ illegal and legal immigrants are generally in the have tier of society and pay them approximately what a burger flipper makes, but those same burger flippers refuse to perform what they consider menial work (I'd personally prefer gardening to a life of grease) or get on the government gravy train. The haves, while carrying the majority tax burden, aren't exactly stupid and see no reason to pay $15/hr or more when the same job skills can be obtained for $5-10/hr.

The current flow of illegal immigrants from 2000 on is estimated by the US census bureau to be an increase of about 500,000 per year as versus the 1990s (see link), not what I'd consider an alarming increase in a population of 295-million migrating from industrial to service economy, but after 911 the general public's focus on illegal immigration became patriotic in substance with no real basis of separating terrorists from workers. Terrorists are far more difficult to find than workers and that public need a new focal point in their frustration of stagnating wages and inflation, making illegal immigrants an easy target. Illegal immigration wasn't even an issue in the 2004 national elections and not much about illegal immigration has changed since those elections or in the past 15-20 years.

http://www.cis.org/topics/currentnumbers.html



 
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Old 05-06-2006 | 03:55 PM
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heres your guys solution if your against imigration join the minute man and vote for a different governor if your for imigration boycot every first monday of the month and vote you a mexican president into the usa. i liked there strike i did not have to wait in any lines anywhere. everyone needs to quit b!tchen and start taking actions one way or the other.
 
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Old 05-06-2006 | 04:04 PM
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Originally posted by: georged


Vigilantes? I knew our quality of education has been declining, but didn't realize it had sunk that low. That's barely a step away from the KKK.
OK Now I see you're attempting to vilanize and spread false propaganda in another attempt to prove an invalid point.

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You pay a lot of taxes and are willing to spring for the cost of a wall plus the social costs? No wonder you don't like numbers. A wall is no solution. A guest worker program is a solution.

OK What don't you understand about work visas and greencards???????????????????????????????????????? ????????????????????????????????????

We already have a "guest worker" program!!!!!!!!!!!!! It's illegal immigrants we're talking about here. There's already a system in place in which they can LEGALLY come into this country and work. What your supporting is an effort to overlook the crimes of the ILLEGAL immigrants.





How can you support illegal immigration, and at the same time, criminalize legal american citizens who are trying to help protect our southern border???????
 


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