You inserted belief system dogma into the topic, not me.

 

You're pathetic. I'd like to get this back to the basics here. This is about illegal immigration. And like OFC said, most people have absoloutley no issues with legal immigration. You seem to be the only person here who agrees with illegal immigration, and even promote it.

 

The FACT is that Religion and Christianity in general HAS played a big part in the formation of this country and direction this it has taken.

No matter how bad you want it to be untrue, nothing is going to change the fact that religion and Christianity IS a part of our society and IS ingrained throughout our History. People like you want to pretend like it isn't, but no matter how hard you try, you just can't seem to pull it off. Look around you, it is everywhere.

To deny the role that Christianity has played in this countries formation is to deny History. You probably don't believe that we ever landed on the moon too, huh.....

 

No, I don't agree with illegal immigration, or breaking any law. Just because an action is against the law doesn't mean it can be controlled. The largest criminal problem in my state of residence is crystal meth. Even with vast law enforcement resources being thrown at it, meth use is rampant, growing and out of control. Immigration presents the same type of problem. It's a fact that we don't have the resources to seal our borders, much less find and return all illegal immigrants to their countries of origin. As long as Americans can get a free ride they won't take jobs at wages below that government subsidization level, encouraging illegal immigration. There are obviously people facing starvation who do want those jobs, creating illegal immigration. As illegal immigration expands, US employers are becoming accustomed to work ethics and reliability presented by those illegal immigrants, unavailable in the legal US force. I know people in business in several states who prefer hiring immigrants or legal residents of Hispanic origin, not because of saving money, but because they present a superior work force. As to an employer determining legal status of a worker, thanks to the age of technology street price of a bogus SS card, driver's license and green card is about $120, with quality defying employer examination.

Considering employer supply and demand with the refusal of legal Americans to work when their government will give them a free ride, the only solution to the problem of illegal immigration I can determine is a guest worker program common in many other countries that balances social costs with tax revenue.

 

Yes we do have the resources to seal the borders if we wanna get real about it....if fact big problems call for big solutions...every other country seems to have no problem ....if they wanna declare this there land and sing our songs in spanish we need to get real people

 

So if we can't stop it, we should just throw our arms up in the air and say we SURRENDER.

It shouldn't be an All or Nothing situation. How bad do you think your states Meth problem would be if the Police just said "We give up" and stopped enforcing the drug laws?

 

The key word is ILLEGAL

 

Thank you!!!! Man, I have been waiting for someone to shut this guy down!! I'm sick of hearing how God should be taken out of everything. Our country needs to get back to her roots that our CHRISTIAN founders planted! I'm not sure what God will have to do to get us all turned around, but I don't think it will be pretty. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif[/img]

 

You don't??

Even within the same post, you justify and make excuses for it.


A big part of the problem with the illegal immigration at the Mexican border, is drugs. It will be a lot harder for law enforcement in your area to find and bust indoor meth labs. Surveilance, warrants, etc., etc. At the border, they are crossing in the wide open. The expense of enforcing the laws there will be a lot cheaper than busting up meth labs in Oregon. There are no warrants required to bust illegals jumping the border. There are also volunteers willing to do most of the work for the gov't.

Actually, the only country of origin that has presented a problem is Mexico. Why is it that with all the impovished countries in the world, only Mexicans are breaking into our country on such a scale that it's becoming a national crisis??

 

I've read some thorough evaluations of sealing our borders and the border with Mexico alone is way beyond reasonable capability. At 2000 miles, mostly isolated, that's 3,400,000 yards. The accepted distance for border choke points using electronic surveillance with belt-fed automatic weapons is 500 yards apart, 250-yard effective range on each side. 6800 choke points with four-man teams 24/7 is 61,200 combat troops, 122,400 with a weekly rotation factor. Support personnel for logistical requirements is calculated at two support to one combat, or 244,800. That's 367,200 troops, almost three times the number we have in Iraq. Building the choke points, regional bases to service them, ground and air transportation, prisoner holding centers/transportation not included.

Our border with Canada is even longer. Throw in two ocean coastlines with a Caribbean sea and sealing the land border with Mexico is the easy part. Other countries who have felt illegal immigration was a problem implemented guest worker programs.