I don't support illegal immigration but do understand what makes it happen, something lacking in those who support vigilante actions. Blame your politicians for providing free rides to US citizens for votes. Anyone that's not a sworn member of law enforcement assigned to a circumstance does not have my best interests in mind when taking the law into their own hands. That's a personal vendetta no different than the Aryan Nation or other special interest groups formed on the basis of self-serving ideology.

 

If you build a WALL and drastically cut the inflow of ILLEGAL Immigration, then the burden placed on our Social Services by ILLEGAL'S will not continue to grow out of control.

A WALL makes a "Guest Worker Program" viable. Answer me this. How do you have a guest worker program if you can't control the flow of people coming across the border?

 

The problem with your interpretation of the Minute Man Program is that unlike the Aryan Nation or the KKK, they are not HATE based. They don't want Mexicans wiped off the face of the earth, they just want them to stay in their own country.

 

Well george, since everything you have stated about the minutemanproject has been a lie out of ignorance or a lie intentionally made to bias people against them I copied the main page for you.

The Minuteman Project

Crawford Rally

Hey Bush!

We're Here!

We Demand, "Do Your Job You Haven't Done"!

Los Angeles Rally

The Los Angeles Rally began to form around 4:30 on an overcast Wednesday morning. People began milling around; campers pulled up and parked next to the curb. The neighborhood was waking up with the everyday shuffling of people bent on getting something done. By now, speakers, wire, cameras, and coffee were beginning to dominate Leimert Park........ Read More





Caravan Revs Up


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The Minuteman Project Moves Forward

The Minuteman Caravan will be a positive statement for the citizens of the United States of America. The Minutemen will drive from Los Angeles California to Washington D.C. Major rallies will be held in Phoenix, Crawford Texas and then concluding on May 12th in Washington D.C..... Read More

Minuteman Caravan

Caravan Schedule
May 3rd - Los Angeles, CA
May 3rd - Phoenix, AZ
May 4th - Albuquerque, NM
May 5th - Abilene, TX
May 6th - Crawford, TX
May 7th - Little Rock, AR
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May 11th - Richmond, VA
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We have seen defiance of the rule of law by foreign nationals. We have seen protests across America with disdain for American sovereignty. Defiance of the law supported by protest is outrageous to those who are lawful and proud of America.

Criminal aliens and their followers have taken to the streets demanding not their rights but your rights. This sort of massive illegal incursion would not be tolerated in any other country. Many in Congress refuse to listen to the will of Americans and turn a blind eye to the rule of law. Capitol Hill has been bought and paid for by special interest groups who benefit from cheap sweat shop labor and the 21st century economic slave trade...... Read More
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The Minutemen believe in the rule of law. The Minuteman Project does not endorse or encourage violence; this includes making threatening statements or participating in any hostile actions against anyone. All elected officials must NOT be threatened or have their security compromised in any way! In this time of social turmoil many anti-American groups wish.... Read More

Minuteman Project - Border Fence

How can the flow of drugs, human cargo and illegal entry be stopped?

Ever since the Mexican American War there has been talk of building a secure fence between Mexico and the United States. This fence proposal is not a new idea but an idea whose time has come. Unfortunately because of years of negligence by the Federal.....Read More

Felony Immigration Provision Loses Republican Support

GOP leaders say they don’t support legislation’s tough language
Protesters in Los Angeles rally Monday for rights for illegal immigrants.
Wednesday, April 12, 2006; Posted: 12:59 a.m. EDT (04:59 GMT)

WASHINGTON (CNN) — The top Republicans in both the House and Senate indicated Tuesday they don’t support language in an immigration bill that would make entering the country illegally a felony.The proposal has drawn the ire of pro-immigrant groups that.... Read More

Minuteman the Border!

Jim Gilchrist leads the San Diego, California border watch

Jim Gilchrist, Founder of The Minuteman Project, and thousands of Minutemen head for the border. April first kicked off the month long border watch and was touted as a huge success. Minutemen and Minutewomen from across the United States of America traveled to Campo, California, to commemorate the historical anniversary of when Jim Gilchrist embarrassed Capitol Hill by doing the job they refused to do. He proved that one citizen can make a difference. By the presence of a handful of Minutemen last year, they were successful in closing down literally miles and miles of porous border along Arizona’s Southern border, a feet that has never before been done in the history of America..... Read More

Minuteman Project Founder Jim Gilchrist launches month-long border..

Thousands more expected to join in the upcoming weeks

Campo, CA - Surrounded by American flags and a sea of average American citizens, Minuteman Founder Jim Gilchrist kicked off a month-long border watch operation. Thousands of Minuteman volunteers answered the call of their nation and turned out for the weekend to commemorate the first anniversary of the founding of the Minuteman Project..... Read More

America On Notice: Occupying Army demands more from their captives!!

Is the new rule of law, “The Biggest Thugs With The Biggest Clubs?”

In a show of strength the Army of Illegal Aliens and Open Border Traders set their example at Montebello High School California for the entire world to see! On March 25th 2006 the United Armies of Illegal Aliens marched on Los Angeles being welcomed with opened arms from Mayor Antonio....Read More

There will be NO Mexican flag burning!!

The Minuteman Project does not endorse or encourage violence; this includes aggressive demonstrations that create malicious behavior such as flag burning, rioting, or any physical contact of any kind. In this time of social turmoil many anti-American groups wish to cause harm to the name of the Minutemen, because they know that the Minutemen stand for peace and the Rule of Law. The Minutemen are a model of strength and personal control in a time of civil disobedience. The Minuteman Pledge declares our virtues while our Standard Operating Procedures (S.O.P.) declare our actions..... Read More

"Occupying Army makes their demands!”

We demand your rights! We demand your jobs! We demand your future!

“If you don’t give us America then you are racist pigs!”

I wish I didn’t have to say “I told you so,” but actions speak louder than words! Americans saw the warning signs when they read the newspapers, listened to the radio, watched television, and now, all they have to do is simply look out their windows. How did this happen? While being tolerant, we were..... Read More


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"If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest for freedom, go home and leave us in peace. We seek not your council nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen." --Samuel Adams

 

Crap, that took a freakin' long time to read! But worth reading it, maybe Georey Boy will shut up now??? And did Squege call me an idiot????????

 

OK, you don't support- you only want to make it easier for them to break into the country rather than come in legally)

Why?? Since when do illegal immigrants vote?? Giving legal citizens is a good idea. Unfortunetely everybody with the right to vote doesn't.

I see where this comment comes from. You feel like the "sworn LE officers" are carrying out your best interest already by not doing anything. Sorry, but they're just undermanned because the illegal immigration problem is becoming so huge.

If you want to call helping catch criminals who are illegally invading our country a personal vendetta, then go ahead. It matches the same logic you used when comparing apples to oranges or racist hate groups to the minute man project.

 

Not to your face LOL He was talking about george

 

Social costs will never be recovered on a dollar to dollar basis. Most legal Americans under the per-capita income average don't pay their own way. That's the way our system is structured and the purpose of a progressive income tax where the wealthy carry that load in exchange for civil structure. Few wealthy people, who are paying the social services bills, complain about illegal immigration. The best a guest worker program could do is contribute to that civil structure in an orderly manner through their employment flow-through for living expenses, same as the majority of legal Americans. I'm unable to find any information on the underground cash society contribution in the US, but other nations facing immigration into service economies have done extensive studies and were unable to determine the net economic effect of illegal immigration. The two I read estimated that a minimum of 50% of the social costs were recaptured by federal taxes on the employer side due to expanded revenue/businesses that couldn't exist without low labor costs and from the flow-through effect.

If all illegal immigrants had to do is register, their migration would become orderly at normal entry points. Even if we could afford it, any 2000 mile fence will be repeatedly broached by a variety of methods including bribery, a normal cost of business in any illegal activity.

The only real solution is obvious, Americans need to be performing those jobs attracting illegal immigrants.

 

Never say Never.... [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]

You seem to have a Million reasons for why things "Won't" work. Do you happen to have any ideas on how to help the situation instead of the Glass is Half Full approach you seem to take on every issue?

Not a "Fence", a WALL.

Without some type of secure border, how can America possibly control or govern over a "Guest Worker Program"? How do you plan to make them "Sign Up" for any type of program when they can just walk into our country unfettered?

All of your theories seemed to be based on current conditions. What happens to all your numbers and percentages once the influx of Illegals goes from (Est.) 12 Million, to 20 Million, 30 Million or 50 Million ILLEGALS?

 

I have no emotion about the issue. It doesn't affect me nor do I expect it to do so. That always presents a half-full glass. Other than Americans taking the jobs currently attracting illegal immigrants, there is no final solution as advocates of fences, walls, killing them or other proposed remedies insist on. Supply and demand is the current determining factor, which will remain consistent until some event disrupts that circumstance. Like Cubans and Haitians, they'll get here one way or another.

The influx of illegal immigrants, primarily Mexicans, has been about 750,000 a year since 2000, not a serious number to anyone not living in a border state. Border states, with withdrawal of federal revenue sharing due to our fiscal management, are bearing the immediate brunt of illegal immigration in the form of limited social services and LE capability. Who's paying for it and how much it costs isn't even an issue. This is making things inconvenient to a portion of the population accustomed to immediate service. If the annual number of illegal immigrants doubles or triples it will be due to Americans continuing to literally invite them to the US with jobs and those border states will endure more hardships considered unacceptable under former standards of living.

Stop inviting illegal immigrants with jobs offering a better life and they won't come. Until then, I can generate sympathy for Americans enduring hardships in that particular situation, but have no empathy with illegal immigrants or those who invite them.

I've enjoyed the exchange of topic opinions, but my sprained ankle has improved to a point of getting back to what I normally do and that limits my PC time. My own stupidity; wearing pull-on instead of laced boots I have and jumping off the quad while taking firewood.