We are all willing to spend big bucks and bust our a$$ trying to milk an few extra horsepower from our engines....but what if you could get extra horsepower out of a bottle?????

I have mentioned this in "oil" posts before, but never done a dedicated post on the subject: There is a new generation of high performance oils out there, that will give you superior protection, yet net you greater horsepower!

This is due to sophisticated ester synthetic chemistries, and a new generation of organic fricton modifiers! I know, we have all been taught that "friction modifiers" like molebdenum disulfide are bad for our wet chutches....but this new generation of organic modifiers are completely wet clutch safe!!!

I am currently running Redline MC Oil, and am seeing a fairly dramatic increae in torque/horsepower!!! This oil is super slick JASO MB....yet wet clutch safe! (Again, I know we have all been taught that JASO MA is the only wet clutch safe oil out there.)

Other oils that I would recommend are Maxima Ultra, and Maxima 530MX . If you know of others from other manufacturers, feel free to list them......Motul 300V comes to mind....

 

See the Dyno Test results here, for Maxima Ultra and Motul 300V. I know these are light oils, like 0W30, but with sophisticated ester synthetic chemistry, you can run ultra light oils and still get superb protection. (My newest ATV, the Honda Rancher 420, recommends 0W30 as an all-season oil!!!)

http://www.sportrider.com/tech/146_0310_oil/index.html

 

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>I am currently running Redline MC Oil, and am seeing a fairly dramatic increae in torque/horsepower!!! </end quote></div>

Lets see "your" dyno chart.
How much is a "dramatic increase?" 1/8 of a HP? 1/2 of a HP?

I find it interesting that they dyno'ed the engine at two different RPM's!!! Hmmmm did they over rev the dino oil engine and get it outside the RPM band? Did they under rev the other engine to get less HP? Why go through this BS and then have two different RPM's?

Why not have the same "hot" weight oil for both the syn and dino oils? I bet I could pick up a few more HP by running WD-40 in the case on one of the pulls.

**** poor test if you ask MHO.

 

I agree, that that isn't a definitive test!!! I just threw it in because I could find it easily, and there are always those who say "show me the proof".

But this stuff is showing up in the dirt bike mags more and more, but the ATV guys don't really seem to be catching on.

That's fine! One can continue to live in the stone age, or embrace the space age...whatever you like...but you will never know if you don't try it!

 

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>I am currently running Redline MC Oil, and am seeing a fairly dramatic increae in torque/horsepower!!! </end quote></div>
You still did not answer my question. Lets see "your" dyno charts to show the "fairly dramatic increase" on your quad motor. If you don't have one, it's just your butt dyno and I just don't trust those. I think your just using rice math.

My guess, with working with and reading about syn vs dino oil you would be hard pressed to see more than a 1/4 of a HP advantage for the syn.

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>That's fine! One can continue to live in the stone age, or embrace the space age...whatever you like...but you will never know if you don't try it! </end quote></div>

FYI; We have syn in one of our race motors. Lost a rod in it at the last race. Had nothing to do with the oil, the but your awsome syn did not save either the rod or the crank.
I have cases of Red Line in my garage. Good oil for racing but not a good general purpose oil at all. I would NEVER use it in my car or quad. At least the Red Line oil I have.

 

Hey...this is one of those things in life where you either get it or you don't!

 

And what's the price of the oil? Can I get it at a parts store or (ugh) Walmart?

 

I think the charts show some interesting things.......

No the HP increase is not more than perhaps a 1hp gain, but if you look close are also places where the chart shows a slight HP loss at a similar RPM curve.....

What is does show is perhaps a smoother HP curve in the meat of the power.. It does seem to perhaps show a more consistent delivery but it also shows more erratic behavior in some other areas......

All in all it seems all rather minimal...... but in some instances it might make a difference more evident.....

But without a doubt a synthetic oil, or even partial synthetic oil will protect better than straight dino oil.... many studies have confirmed this. Especially in engines with higher compression (such as ATVs) and engines that have extreme temperature ranges influenced by things like water shock (such as ATVs) and engines that need to perform on high tolerances (such as ATVs)..... synthetics are just better at protecting and not compromise viscosity....

Dino oils turn to sludge so much faster and at such a lower threshold that using synthetic in your ATV is just a smart money bet. It will protect your valves so much better it is not funny because there is just less carbon deposit available....... even frequent oil changes with dino oil cannot protect the same as synthetics......you get what you pay for....

Of course that does not mean you are destine to blow up your engine with dino oil.... not even.... and if you have an engine that does not have a real high compression and a real high RPM range you might never notice any performance difference.....

But anything with 10:1 compression or higher, anything DOHC that is going to rev, using synthetic will keep that engine at peak performance a lot longer than any dino oil will.... an engine tuned that high needs every advantage it can get to keep all those close tolerances as tight as possible, and keep that viscosity stable for as long as possible.

So synthetic in your lawn mower? No why bother, good maintenance and a dino oil will never affect its performance....

Synthetic in your 2-valve push-rod ATV engine? It cannot hurt but good maintenance and a dino oil will keep you going forever.....

But you can bet your DOHC multi-valve engine wants synthetic bad.....

 

October ATV Action, pg 93....Cheap Horsepower Tips...."Also, running some of the premium high-tech oils out on the market today can get you another couple of ponies while you're at it".

Dirt Bike...July, pg 73...."The sum of cumulative friction reduction throughout your motorcycle can indeed increase your horsepower by a significant margin". "The latest generation of four-stroke oils....are not only lubricants but performance products".

You don't understand, what you don't understand!!!

 

So, is it expensive?