Sportsman 800EFI Horsepower?
#21
02-12-2006, 01:48 PM
Sportsman 800EFI Horsepower?
Originally posted by: 82DuneBanshee
Uh... i dont think so. Maybe in the 4x4 segment, but they arent always on top, I will say they are always in competition.
But as far as the rest of the industry is concerned they arent. Polaris doesnt win more races than Honda or Yamaha, its because their sport quads cant compete with them. I do admire that new quad the Outlaw they came out with, now that a major manufacturer has come out with rear suspension on a sport quad the rest of the manufacturers will also start releasing their versions (assuming the Outlaw is a good selling and reliable quad).
Even the Polaris Ranger isnt as good as the Yamaha Rhino
Keep that in mind tho spyder, polaris is always on top of atv market,
But as far as the rest of the industry is concerned they arent. Polaris doesnt win more races than Honda or Yamaha, its because their sport quads cant compete with them. I do admire that new quad the Outlaw they came out with, now that a major manufacturer has come out with rear suspension on a sport quad the rest of the manufacturers will also start releasing their versions (assuming the Outlaw is a good selling and reliable quad).
Even the Polaris Ranger isnt as good as the Yamaha Rhino
B) The very same thing applies to the Rhino vs Ranger. The Rhino is the "Sports-Oriented" machine and as such is built no-where-near as ruggedly as the Ranger. The Ranger is the bullet-proof beast of that market but it still has massive suspension and off-roading capabilties. Furthermore, it's utility factor is so far more than the Rhino it's not even in the same class. Just check out the rear boxes and the load capability. The Rhino is a fun toy with very limited utilty capability. The Ranger is a highly capable utility work machine that will also go anywhere and everywhere the Rhino does........albeit with a bench seat, without breaking and hauling a far greater load.
#22
02-12-2006, 02:13 PM
Sportsman 800EFI Horsepower?
i know up here polaris out sells everything esle, and they did have the first on the auto and irs that seems to be the norm for all the others to follow. the real test for me is all the other brands i ride w/ (which isnt all mind you) i have better ride by far and im the one pulling the others out of the mud. thats the real test for me. besides its not what you have that wins, but who spende the most money that wins. lol
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#24
02-12-2006, 05:07 PM
Sportsman 800EFI Horsepower?
Originally posted by: 82DuneBanshee
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#25
02-12-2006, 09:30 PM
Sportsman 800EFI Horsepower?
Originally posted by: Backinthesaddleagain
It's likely that it's already maxed out at 760cc. You can't bore and stroke the thing infinately.
HP is not the key figure for a utility quad. Do you want to do 80 MPH and 7000 RPM through a rock-strewn woods trail???.......or using the machine for work???
Torque is a much better indicator of an engines usable powerband. HP is a better indicator of an engines total output at a high RPM. For this reason HP is a far more important factor for perform/sport/race bikes where speed and light weight are the goal and torque is a far more important factor for a utility machine where lower RPM and a broad power-band of torque is more important.
HP is somewhat a function of RPM. This why Formula 1 cars rev at 19,000 RPM and have such high peak HP numbers with a relatively small displacement engine. Yet you look at all the big, heavy work machines such as tractor trailers and they utilized low RPM, relatively low HP but massive torque engines.
I could see the Preddy engine developing as much HP as a SP 800. But try putting that Preddy engine in a SP 800 and see what happens. It'll fall on it face unless you re-do the clutch set-up not engage until higher RPM and even then the powerband will be narrow and useablity will be far reduced.
It's likely that it's already maxed out at 760cc. You can't bore and stroke the thing infinately.
HP is not the key figure for a utility quad. Do you want to do 80 MPH and 7000 RPM through a rock-strewn woods trail???.......or using the machine for work???
Torque is a much better indicator of an engines usable powerband. HP is a better indicator of an engines total output at a high RPM. For this reason HP is a far more important factor for perform/sport/race bikes where speed and light weight are the goal and torque is a far more important factor for a utility machine where lower RPM and a broad power-band of torque is more important.
HP is somewhat a function of RPM. This why Formula 1 cars rev at 19,000 RPM and have such high peak HP numbers with a relatively small displacement engine. Yet you look at all the big, heavy work machines such as tractor trailers and they utilized low RPM, relatively low HP but massive torque engines.
I could see the Preddy engine developing as much HP as a SP 800. But try putting that Preddy engine in a SP 800 and see what happens. It'll fall on it face unless you re-do the clutch set-up not engage until higher RPM and even then the powerband will be narrow and useablity will be far reduced.
Dt
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#28
02-12-2006, 10:30 PM
Sportsman 800EFI Horsepower?
Originally posted by: Ductape
I will have to disagree where CVT transmissions are involved, which is everything in this market segment. The CVT puts the engine near peak HP at nearly any speed, so you can't really use a lot of torque at lower revs. You can't hold a CVT bike at 3,000 rpm when you stand on it.
Dt
Originally posted by: Backinthesaddleagain
It's likely that it's already maxed out at 760cc. You can't bore and stroke the thing infinately.
HP is not the key figure for a utility quad. Do you want to do 80 MPH and 7000 RPM through a rock-strewn woods trail???.......or using the machine for work???
Torque is a much better indicator of an engines usable powerband. HP is a better indicator of an engines total output at a high RPM. For this reason HP is a far more important factor for perform/sport/race bikes where speed and light weight are the goal and torque is a far more important factor for a utility machine where lower RPM and a broad power-band of torque is more important.
HP is somewhat a function of RPM. This why Formula 1 cars rev at 19,000 RPM and have such high peak HP numbers with a relatively small displacement engine. Yet you look at all the big, heavy work machines such as tractor trailers and they utilized low RPM, relatively low HP but massive torque engines.
I could see the Preddy engine developing as much HP as a SP 800. But try putting that Preddy engine in a SP 800 and see what happens. It'll fall on it face unless you re-do the clutch set-up not engage until higher RPM and even then the powerband will be narrow and useablity will be far reduced.
It's likely that it's already maxed out at 760cc. You can't bore and stroke the thing infinately.
HP is not the key figure for a utility quad. Do you want to do 80 MPH and 7000 RPM through a rock-strewn woods trail???.......or using the machine for work???
Torque is a much better indicator of an engines usable powerband. HP is a better indicator of an engines total output at a high RPM. For this reason HP is a far more important factor for perform/sport/race bikes where speed and light weight are the goal and torque is a far more important factor for a utility machine where lower RPM and a broad power-band of torque is more important.
HP is somewhat a function of RPM. This why Formula 1 cars rev at 19,000 RPM and have such high peak HP numbers with a relatively small displacement engine. Yet you look at all the big, heavy work machines such as tractor trailers and they utilized low RPM, relatively low HP but massive torque engines.
I could see the Preddy engine developing as much HP as a SP 800. But try putting that Preddy engine in a SP 800 and see what happens. It'll fall on it face unless you re-do the clutch set-up not engage until higher RPM and even then the powerband will be narrow and useablity will be far reduced.
Dt
I do however understand what you are saying relative to the CVT constantly adjusting to maintain the RPM in the powerband. And you're right.....they are great.......all I'm saying is that they too can be tweaked/adjusted for the powerband of the engine.
#30
02-12-2006, 10:57 PM
Sportsman 800EFI Horsepower?
Originally posted by: spyder6
just to make everyone clear, the SP800 motor is a completely different motor than the SP700's. its not a stroked or bored 700 motor
just to make everyone clear, the SP800 motor is a completely different motor than the SP700's. its not a stroked or bored 700 motor