Worst thing for a Polaris/ATV?
Feb 27, 2009 | 07:34 PM
#41
Moto Psycho
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Worst thing for a Polaris/ATV?
This isn't the worst thing for it but it's definately not good. When I plowed snow this winter I got the shifter halfway between neutral and low several times. I would give it the gas then realize it wasn't in gear when I heard the gears grinding. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-shocked.gif[/img]
Feb 27, 2009 | 08:06 PM
#42
Shapeshifter Rider
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From: Mishawaka,Indiana
Worst thing for a Polaris/ATV?
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: jodaanja
That clutch failure had absolutely NOTHING to do with reving up your engine. ESPECIALLY if you only used 1/4 throttle as you stated. Think about this scenario.........And we have all done this at least a few times......cruising up a hard packed dirt road at about 70mph give or take, and then the rev limiter kicks in. By definition, the engine is now at MAX RPM....AND the clutch has a huge load on it.....it's pulling 980lbs along at 70mph. No clutch failure. Hmmm. The point is that these clutches are designed to take WAY more RPM and load than just reving up to 1/4 throttle in neutral. My guess is that you had a clutch with some type of imperfection in the casting from day one. and it just came apart. It happens in all types of machinery. You just got unlucky. As a general rule these clutches are bulletproof. It's the same style clutch(different springs and stuff) that Polaris uses to deliver over 100hp of 2-stroke belt shredding RPM/torque on a lot of their sleds. I'm guessing that your dealer TOLD you it was your fault cause he didn't want to cover it under warranty. I've heard of dealers collecting from customers , and THEN submitting warranty claims to the manufacturer and getting paid twice!
Anyway, to blame that clutch failure on reving in neutral is completely ludicrous.</end quote></div>
It's not ludicrous.When your in nuetral that clutch is still spinning,just not under load,That belt is also spinning so when you rev that motor if that belt slides just a bit it could cause the clutch to become unbalanced on the shaft,boom,800 bucks out a my pocket.And anyway it's a 96 so no warranty,and I did'nt deal with a dealer for my parts.IMHO don't sit and rev your Polaris...Unless it's an Outlaw with the Ktm engine.
That clutch failure had absolutely NOTHING to do with reving up your engine. ESPECIALLY if you only used 1/4 throttle as you stated. Think about this scenario.........And we have all done this at least a few times......cruising up a hard packed dirt road at about 70mph give or take, and then the rev limiter kicks in. By definition, the engine is now at MAX RPM....AND the clutch has a huge load on it.....it's pulling 980lbs along at 70mph. No clutch failure. Hmmm. The point is that these clutches are designed to take WAY more RPM and load than just reving up to 1/4 throttle in neutral. My guess is that you had a clutch with some type of imperfection in the casting from day one. and it just came apart. It happens in all types of machinery. You just got unlucky. As a general rule these clutches are bulletproof. It's the same style clutch(different springs and stuff) that Polaris uses to deliver over 100hp of 2-stroke belt shredding RPM/torque on a lot of their sleds. I'm guessing that your dealer TOLD you it was your fault cause he didn't want to cover it under warranty. I've heard of dealers collecting from customers , and THEN submitting warranty claims to the manufacturer and getting paid twice!
Anyway, to blame that clutch failure on reving in neutral is completely ludicrous.</end quote></div>
It's not ludicrous.When your in nuetral that clutch is still spinning,just not under load,That belt is also spinning so when you rev that motor if that belt slides just a bit it could cause the clutch to become unbalanced on the shaft,boom,800 bucks out a my pocket.And anyway it's a 96 so no warranty,and I did'nt deal with a dealer for my parts.IMHO don't sit and rev your Polaris...Unless it's an Outlaw with the Ktm engine.
Feb 27, 2009 | 08:09 PM
#43
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From: Mishawaka,Indiana
Worst thing for a Polaris/ATV?
And anyway since mines as old as it is,there is no rev limiter(except for reverse) the clutches limit the rpms.It's a mint scrambler though,only had 10 hours when I bought it!
Feb 27, 2009 | 08:14 PM
#44
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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: scrambler400enoge
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: jodaanja
That clutch failure had absolutely NOTHING to do with reving up your engine. ESPECIALLY if you only used 1/4 throttle as you stated. Think about this scenario.........And we have all done this at least a few times......cruising up a hard packed dirt road at about 70mph give or take, and then the rev limiter kicks in. By definition, the engine is now at MAX RPM....AND the clutch has a huge load on it.....it's pulling 980lbs along at 70mph. No clutch failure. Hmmm. The point is that these clutches are designed to take WAY more RPM and load than just reving up to 1/4 throttle in neutral. My guess is that you had a clutch with some type of imperfection in the casting from day one. and it just came apart. It happens in all types of machinery. You just got unlucky. As a general rule these clutches are bulletproof. It's the same style clutch(different springs and stuff) that Polaris uses to deliver over 100hp of 2-stroke belt shredding RPM/torque on a lot of their sleds. I'm guessing that your dealer TOLD you it was your fault cause he didn't want to cover it under warranty. I've heard of dealers collecting from customers , and THEN submitting warranty claims to the manufacturer and getting paid twice!
Anyway, to blame that clutch failure on reving in neutral is completely ludicrous.</end quote></div>
It's not ludicrous.When your in nuetral that clutch is still spinning,just not under load,That belt is also spinning so when you rev that motor if that belt slides just a bit it could cause the clutch to become unbalanced on the shaft,boom,800 bucks out a my pocket.And anyway it's a 96 so no warranty,and I did'nt deal with a dealer for my parts.IMHO don't sit and rev your Polaris...Unless it's an Outlaw with the Ktm engine.</end quote></div>
I won't go so far as to say it's luduicrous but when in nuetral or park the belt is not slipping on the primary..it is turning..powered by the primary,although it is loosely held by the primary..but when you rev the engine the weights close the primary to grab the belt just like they do in gear and it isn't slipping...only the secondary responds differently under load..the primary works completely off of engine RPM...sorry scrambler..you had another problem.
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: jodaanja
That clutch failure had absolutely NOTHING to do with reving up your engine. ESPECIALLY if you only used 1/4 throttle as you stated. Think about this scenario.........And we have all done this at least a few times......cruising up a hard packed dirt road at about 70mph give or take, and then the rev limiter kicks in. By definition, the engine is now at MAX RPM....AND the clutch has a huge load on it.....it's pulling 980lbs along at 70mph. No clutch failure. Hmmm. The point is that these clutches are designed to take WAY more RPM and load than just reving up to 1/4 throttle in neutral. My guess is that you had a clutch with some type of imperfection in the casting from day one. and it just came apart. It happens in all types of machinery. You just got unlucky. As a general rule these clutches are bulletproof. It's the same style clutch(different springs and stuff) that Polaris uses to deliver over 100hp of 2-stroke belt shredding RPM/torque on a lot of their sleds. I'm guessing that your dealer TOLD you it was your fault cause he didn't want to cover it under warranty. I've heard of dealers collecting from customers , and THEN submitting warranty claims to the manufacturer and getting paid twice!
Anyway, to blame that clutch failure on reving in neutral is completely ludicrous.</end quote></div>
It's not ludicrous.When your in nuetral that clutch is still spinning,just not under load,That belt is also spinning so when you rev that motor if that belt slides just a bit it could cause the clutch to become unbalanced on the shaft,boom,800 bucks out a my pocket.And anyway it's a 96 so no warranty,and I did'nt deal with a dealer for my parts.IMHO don't sit and rev your Polaris...Unless it's an Outlaw with the Ktm engine.</end quote></div>
I won't go so far as to say it's luduicrous but when in nuetral or park the belt is not slipping on the primary..it is turning..powered by the primary,although it is loosely held by the primary..but when you rev the engine the weights close the primary to grab the belt just like they do in gear and it isn't slipping...only the secondary responds differently under load..the primary works completely off of engine RPM...sorry scrambler..you had another problem.
Feb 27, 2009 | 10:14 PM
#45
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From: Eagle River,WI
Worst thing for a Polaris/ATV?
That clutch probably cracked due to heat from belt slip over the years.The clutch on your quad is basically the same as the snowmobiles and those turn alot higher rpm's than atv's.I've worked on a few sleds where I pulled the primary off and found them cracked on the inside by the taper for the crank.
Feb 28, 2009 | 08:33 AM
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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: MrMarty51
Is it ok to leave the Polaris in gear and idle it while checking tipups??
Will this cause wear on the belt??</end quote></div>
When in gear and stopped the secondary in not moving but the primary is so the belt is slipping on the primary. The best thing to do is pop it into neutral of park if you are stopping longer that a few seconds.
Is it ok to leave the Polaris in gear and idle it while checking tipups??
Will this cause wear on the belt??</end quote></div>
When in gear and stopped the secondary in not moving but the primary is so the belt is slipping on the primary. The best thing to do is pop it into neutral of park if you are stopping longer that a few seconds.
Feb 28, 2009 | 08:55 AM
#48
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From: Miles City,Montana
Worst thing for a Polaris/ATV?
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: HIGHOCTANE
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: MrMarty51
Is it ok to leave the Polaris in gear and idle it while checking tipups??
Will this cause wear on the belt??</end quote></div>
When in gear and stopped the secondary in not moving but the primary is so the belt is slipping on the primary. The best thing to do is pop it into neutral of park if you are stopping longer that a few seconds.</end quote></div>
Thanks,i will start doing that.
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: MrMarty51
Is it ok to leave the Polaris in gear and idle it while checking tipups??
Will this cause wear on the belt??</end quote></div>
When in gear and stopped the secondary in not moving but the primary is so the belt is slipping on the primary. The best thing to do is pop it into neutral of park if you are stopping longer that a few seconds.</end quote></div>
Thanks,i will start doing that.
Feb 28, 2009 | 10:06 AM
#49
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Worst thing for a Polaris/ATV?
I dont recomend smoking while riding... if you must insist on smoking while riding dont try to be the " The Nice Guy" and stand up (while cruzin) and reach to throw your smoke in a puddle.. heavin forbid you should burn down your favorite riding trail.. and just as your lean... your one handed grip isnt enough when you slide sidwayz and BOOM... your on your back and your quads on its side...
