I guess I stand corrected on who makes the Polaris, when they first came out I was told by a dealer it was E-ton that made them. Notice I did say that my only experiance with the Breeze was one ride. I did not care for it then. As far as the Polaris, like I said my son is only 50 lbs which may be a reason I have had no problems with it. Whowever he dose ride it pretty hard for a little guy and there have not been any problems so far. Also I did point out that a young riders ability will improve to the point where you would need to look at a larger quad. I think a 90cc atv has plenty of power to haul most kids around in most riding conditions. The safety thing is more of what concerns me, I wish these machines were wider and longer. Forlix over on the Yammy page has done this to a mini Raptor check it out if you get the chance pretty nice ride. Hope all this discussion helps anyone looking to get their kids into riding.[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]

 

First, want to say thanks for the info so far.

My daughter is 12 / 5'8" tall and 120'ish pounds. / (never ridden a quad)
Those of you who know about the Breeze, Tech Specs. show only 2.5" of travel
front and rear, any issues with this? Scrambler is showing 4.5" or so seems to be
much better from that standpoint.

One last Q- hear some input on trail ridding, but what about sand / dunes / Hill climbs?
I worry about the 4stroke being a dud, hate to see her try to push a hill, to only have
to back the puppy down and give up.

Again, thanks to all for the info, this is a great forum!!!

 

Well like I said we have had the Lt and the Trx and do a lot of dune riding. I personally think the LT because the 2 stroke was better in the sand. The Trx will go same places only with a bit more dificulty especially with a heavier rider. When it is soft she will need to learn to shift so that she can keep wheel speed up in the sand. However (trying to be sensitive here) her height at 5'8" will make a difference. My daughter is only about 5'and is now riding a Blaster. As for trail riding the 4 stroker is just right because you can put around alot easier than the 2-stroke. good luck [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]

 

As tall as your girl is you would be better off with a Trailblazer the Breeze is small and the 90cc Scrambler is smaller.

 

Sqnterdude,

I would go for either the bigger Trailblazer or the 250 EX. I just got my kids a TB and they love it. My son is 11 and around 5'3" 100 lbs., while my daughter is 14, 5'8 and 120 lbs. Neither one of them have any trouble riding the machine. My daughter rides like I do, either off the throttle or full on. While my son is much more cautious about riding.

It sounds like either machine you mention will be too small for her. If you have the money and she doesn't mind shifting, go for the 250EX. If she doesn't like to shift, go with the Trailblazer.

 

The Polaris 90X is identical to many of the Taiwan imports. I bought my son a TRex 90 ($1200 in the crate - couldn't pass it up at the time), which is actually made by Sundiro. To make a long story short, these Taiwanese mini's are pieces of junk! It takes an act of God to get this thing started if it has sat for more than a week. I went to the Polaris dealer for a spark plug for my Scrambler and asked them if they had any recommendations for dealing with the litte TRex and they said the 90X is the same way. After looking the 90X over for a few minutes it was clear that it was the exact same quad as the TRex only different plastic. The problem is due to an electric choke that sticks after sitting for a little while and by the time it unsticks the battery is shot from trying to start it. I have just about got it down to a science now as far as starting it, just have to whack on the carburator a little bit first [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]. Which brings me to the choice I should have made. The LT80 has a manual choke and carburator w/ reed cage (big plus when it comes to upgrading)and is easily interchangable with other carbs of different sizes. To sum it all up, if I had to do over again I would go with either the LT80 or the Honda 90. Live and learn.

 

Sharpe1,

You are wrong about the mini atv market. Sure, the Polaris, T-rex and others are very low quality in some aspects; however, saying that the LT80 is better means that you must not know too much about the subject. Have you ever made a carb change on a LT80? It is not "that easy" and not that cheap. Sure, the auto choke on the MIKUNI VM17 carb can have problems but your opinion that a couple of units means all are bad is not true. I have had one with a bad choke unit and one that could not be jetted. I usually unplug the chokes since the atv will usually start in all but the coldest weather (if you have good rings). I suspect you have a leaky head gasket that is causing a majority of your issues.

ON the issue of carbs, I install replacement carbs on the mini's for about $100. Try that on a LT80 for less than $200.

People amaze me on what they think is a good machine. Going by a brand name they think it is quality. Polaris?? like you said, they don't even make the thing. SeaDoo, they don't make their mini either. I have found that the Polaris (made by Aeon), has the worst and weakest suspension of all the mini's but people still think it is Polairs and will continue to buy them. I have evaluated virtually every mini on the market and I have built most of them for race and play performance.

In my opinion, Kasea is the best looking and best performing youth atv on the market. Currently 50 and 90cc atv’s s are marketed by Suzuki, Eton, Polairs, Aeon (Alpha Sports), Sundiro, T-Rex, Jehm, Kasea, Bombardier, Husky, Extreme Machine, Artic Cat, Yerf Dog, Manco, Dinli Helix (has an untested reverse feature), LEM and other manufacturers. Of the many atv manufacturers, Kasea offers features that go beyond the “other guys.” Virtually all of the youth atv’s are equipped with fully automatic CVT transmissions (except the Suzuki 50 and LEM 50) and a 2 stroke oil injected engine, the features that make Kasea superior to other youth atv’s begin here:

Front suspension
The Kasea front suspension is much stronger than that Eton, Polairs, Aeon (Alpha Sports), Sundiro, T-Rex, Jehm, Bombardier, Husky, Blazer, Extreme Machine, Artic Cat, Yerf Dog, Manco, Dinli Helix, LEM and some other manufacturers. The Kasea uses a double clevis style knuckle holder rather than the more common single holder. We believe that only Suzuki LT80 uses the same strong design as Kasea on the front suspension a-arms.

Rear suspension
The Kasea has the strongest youth atv rear swing arm and axle design on the market. It is a copy of the trusted design used by Yamaha on their performance atv’s since the early 1980’s. No other youth atv has this strong of a rear suspension – it is simply the best. Many of the other youth atv’s don’t even offer a true sport atv style rear axle. We have found most youth atv’s have a rear axle that is a thin metal shaft covered with tubing. Not only is the tube covered design weaker, it allows water to easily enter the carrier bearing area. Other youth atv’s such as the Suzuki LT-80, LT50 and one Eton atv model do not even use a traditional rear swing arm. The LT80 and the one Eton model made the engine and transmission serve as the rear swing arm. The Suzuki LT80 and Eton design causes handling problems and is very difficult to modify for increased performance. On the Polaris and a few other models, the rear swing arm, although slightly longer, is too weak to be considered adequate.

Shock absorbers
Kasea built their atv’s with true rebound and compression dampening Showa shocks that also feature compression preload spring adjusters. The only other youth atv that we have found that has a similar rear shock is Bombardier. Not even Suzuki has a good rear shock. This is a very important safety feature that is often overlooked. When the Kasea is ridden over a large sudden bump, the rebound dampening helps prevent the atv from “bucking” forward as the shock returns to its normal height. Compression dampening helps keep the shock from "packing" down.

Braking system
Kasea offers a traditional rear foot brake in addition to the front hand brake. This will allow your young rider to learn the proper use of hand and foot controls so he/she will be ready to advance to a full size atv with a manual clutch without relearning their riding technique. Some models such as the Blazer and Bombardier use full size levers that are hard for little hands to properly grip. The Suzuki 50 models do not even offer front brakes!! We will point out that the T-Rex, Manco, Sundiro and Yerf Dog have a rear disc brake but we feel that the drum brake in the youth market is sufficient for even racing needs.

Optional lighting
We believe that only the Kasea is equipped with a 80+ watt lighting coil and is pre-wired for lighting from the factory. All you need to do is purchase the Kasea lighting set that is found as standard equipment on the Kasea 150 atv or simply mount your own lights to the existing wiring. The key switch uses a third position to turn on the lights. Kasea even pre wired for a rear safety light and lighting for your whip antenna. No other youth atv on the market has this much lighting capability. If you want to add lighting to the Suzuki LT80, you will need a special electrical stator and wiring at a substantial cost. LT80 lighting kits that run off the battery only will result in a dead battery and a long walk home. The Suzuki 50 models cannot accept lighting.

Starting
Kasea, like most other youth atv’s, offers electric starting with a manual back up kick starter and a fully automatic choke. Kasea studied the other atv’s and took the ease of starting one step further. They added an automatic fuel valve. When the engine starts, the fuel is automatically turned on. When the engine stops, the fuel is automatically shut off. In comparison, the Suzuki and LEM models have manual chokes and all other youth atv’s have manual fuel valves. We also note that if you want to add a manual back up starter to the Suzuki, it is a pull rope recoil starter that will cost an additional $80. In the unlikely event that you ever need a replacement electric starter for the Kasea, it will cost about $50 and can be installed in 5 minutes. The Suzuki starter costs about $250 and will require 3 hours of labor to complete the installation. The Suzuki 50 models only have pull rope starters that are difficult at best for young riders to operate.

Rim sizes
Here, you can easily install replacement rims of your choice! The front hubs use the common 4/110 bolt pattern (Honda) and the rear uses the common 4/100 bolt pattern (Blaster).

General Parts
Since most of the youth atv engines are similar, finding parts is usually not a problem. If you need gaskets, air filters, batteries, spark plugs, chain, tires or some basic engine components, Eton, Polairs, Aeon (Alpha Sports), Sundiro, T-Rex, Jehm, Kasea, Bombardier, Husky, Blazer, Extreme Machine, Artic Cat, Yerf Dog, Manco, Dinli Helix, will interchange. The Blazer, T-Rex, Bombardier, Yerf Dog, Manico and Polaris have a longer drive belt and side case cover though.

General Notes
The Kasea is one of the few youth atv’s that does not provide a full floor board for the youth rider’s feet. We have studied this issue and believe that the floorboard design may not be as good as claimed. In the event that the rider’s foot gets wet or the board gets wet or covered with debris, it becomes a slippery dangerous platform. Kasea uses foot pegs just like a traditional atv. To improve any youth atv, we suggest that a good nerf bar with foot pegs and narrow spaced nets be added. I offer nerf bar packages for most youth atv models.

Speed
Kasea voluntarily follows the maximum speed limit recommendations of the Consumer Products Safety Commission. You may find other brands of youth atv’s offered for sale that are out of the box “faster” than the Kasea; however, those atv’s most likely do not comply with the CPSC regulations. For a new rider, there is no need for the extra speed out of the box. When their skills improve, the Kasea is the one to build.

Performance
From an aftermarket standpoint, I have the performance modifications for your youth atv. As your child grows, so will his/her ability to control more power. Instead of placing your child on a larger atv that can be dangerous for a younger rider to properly control, modifying a youth atv will provide the challenge that your child desires. I have replacement large bore cylinders, ported cylinders, custom billet aluminum cylinder heads, special over range transmissions, custom exhaust systems, performance carburetors, performance reeds, lighting kits, ignition systems, extended swing arms, wider a-arms, shock absorber kits and various tire and rim options. A special 4130 alloy frame is also in the works!

 

I shouldn't have put them all into the same boat together I guess. But the Polaris, TRex, Sundiro, and some others I've seen and read about, but can't remember the names off hand, are all the same quad with different plastic (sometimes the same only different colors). The reason I say these particular quads are POS is because the Polaris service department guy told me they have some pretty serious problems with their mini's too, as far as carburation goes. Same problem I have with my kids quad. He says they have to rejet just about every one of them they sell. You are right, I don't have alot of experience with these mini quads, but just from looking at how the engines are configured, it looks to me like the LT80 and the TRX 90 have more conventional engine setups that would make them much easier to work on than the damn near upside down design of the Polaris, TRex, Sundiro, etc. mini's. This guy asked for opinions on some mini quads and I gave him what I had to offer, however helpful or unhelpful it was. I just wish I had not wasted money on a brand new offbrand quad with no real reputation, just to find that it will not run half the time because it is always getting choked on its own tongue. By the way, I would love some advice on getting this thing to run right. I'm at my wicks end. The head gasket is not leaking and I have traced all the fuel lines back to the tank to make sure none of them are getting pinched. New plug, looks nice and chocolatey brown after running. It runs great once and if you can get it started. But after about an hour it starts to swallow it's tongue again and won't even pull my 70lb kid up a 15-20 degree slope without bogging out or just plain dying on him. Leaving him stranded on a hill with brakes that suck even more than the carb problem. I won't even go into that problem!! I have just learned a very valuable lesson about trying to save a buck by buying a cheap first time quad for my kid. I would not advise anyone to buy a mini quad unless they have had an oportunity to see and ride with them in the field. This has been about the most disappointing thing I have ever bought for my kid, and that doesn't even begin to describe how my kid feels about his first real ATV. What a let down.

 

I have all Polaris ATV's, but bought the Breeze for my kids. I love it and can provide any details you might wish. The Breeze is a great quad. I'd highly recommend it for your 12 year old.

Don't believe the cheap quad reports on the Breeze. Simply not true.

Respond or email if you need more specific information.

 

I think the Polaris ARE made by E-Ton. Dont jump down my throat if not, but I think they do.