uh da da da 2 strokes are for drag da da. Are you retarted? UH 4 strokes are for va va va va ginas. When both 4 and 2 strokes were made 2 strokes killed in everything. Maybe the reason 4 strokes are being raced now is because there suspension has been up graded in the last 20 years unlike 2 strokes. It sure as he(( isnt because there being made faster. I bet honda thought when they made the 250r it was strickly for drag huh. He(( the 20 year old R can still be modded faster then any of these 450's but they havent gotten any frame mods and Honda isn't goning to give any sponsorship tor a 250r rider. I thank god every day I ride that I didn't wast my money on a 450. There just plain boreing. I look at it this way what ever yamaha made the banshee for it kicks a$$. 20 years later it is still the fastest modded quad. 10 years from now you 4 stroke guys will sell out to the next 4 stroke that is made and try to say its the best. Its pitifull

As for the banshee raptor topic I like the raptor but the 18year old shee still kickes its as$.

 

i have to say that you obviously have not ridden anything but a banshee
the 450s (yes both) will beat
rappy
banshee
kfx700
i know for a fact they will because thats all i ever ride with
my friend just bought a new banshee with lrd dual exhaust and aftermarket air cannisters and my 450r beat him
i dont know about the ds650 or the predator
the 450s have it over pretty much any other quad and anyone with a little seat time will tell you the same thing

 

has anyone else noticed people with shees say shees are better and rappy owners say that raps are better? the raptor and shee are pretty much EVEN ina drag, yes EVEN. i know from expereince. it all depends on the rider..

 

not modified they arent

 

obvisouly, but were talking stock.......

 

I like them both / All. I have own banshees since 87. I am bias bigtime. But I like what the big 4 are doing for the sport. Cali is putting a stop to 2 strokes and rather than give up they all have put up.
Less wieght = less drag. When a 95pounder gets on my quad it flies. When I get on it still flies but not like with the 95 pounder. I does cost less to go fast on a Banshee. I do like the set up of the newer thumpers. Lighter but still heavier. In the stock deal it goes to the better rider every time. Specially if he or she is as light as a feather.
By the way what ever happen to carguy07? He started this whole deal. Oh I still have fond memories on my buddies alky Quadzilla. Man that thing was fast and blew up alot too. We used to ride around Glamis looking for the head cap every year with him. Funny thing We found one everytime too. Didnt get ripped either. Nuff sed

 

who cares? Their both pretty much even! no quad is Killing the other, or is way faster, and non of them or crap. They are both good! I didnt mean 2-strokes are designed for dragging, but they sure as hell own in it, and it seems to be their strong point. either is a good choice, weither 1 is 2mph faster then the other, who cares? its your prefrence. i think a rappy is easier and cheeper to maintain ( 1 cyl 4-stroke) so i got the rappy. either is great, i would go 4 though but thats just be. what ever, im out.

 

They change their opinion when they are proved wrong.